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Re: [Vladimir Horowitz Yahoo Group] Mussorgsky: Where's the love?

I'm delighted to have Horowitz's brilliant alterations of Mussorgsky's
incompetent piano writing rubbed in my face, or anywhere else they could be
rubbed.

Hank

--- In the_horowitz_experience@yahoogroups.com, "accs4" <just33me@...> wrote:
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> All the discussion is about Horowitz's cut in the Liszt Sonata. Isn't anyone
going to wring their hands anew over his alterations to the MUSSORGSKY, for
crying out loud? I mean, I know those alterations are old news, but there
they are -- rubbed right in our faces again by this brand new recording. No
takers???
>





Tue Jul 14, 2009 7:09 pm

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All the discussion is about Horowitz's cut in the Liszt Sonata. Isn't anyone going to wring their hands anew over his alterations to the MUSSORGSKY, for...
accs4
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Jul 14, 2009
6:23 pm

I'm delighted to have Horowitz's brilliant alterations of Mussorgsky's incompetent piano writing rubbed in my face, or anywhere else they could be rubbed. Hank...
Hank
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Jul 14, 2009
7:10 pm

LOL Well, Hank, we knew you wouldn't mind. (Nor, for the record, would I.) By the way, I think the "Great Gate" in the newly-released recording has become my...
accs4
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Jul 14, 2009
8:45 pm

well, we have Horowitz recs from 1947 and 1951 of the Mussorgsky, so it's not much of a surprise. Frankly I would have proffered if Horowitz played the...
mkaykov
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Jul 15, 2009
12:09 am

I'm not sure Horowitz would have bothered with the original....
Greg Lile
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Jul 15, 2009
12:13 am

well, my favorite for the Mussorgsky is Richter in Sofia 1958. The Horowitz version is just ok, the Old Castle is magical, but I don't think his re-writing...
mkaykov
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Jul 15, 2009
11:43 pm

I am also looking forward to hearing the Schumann Fantasy -- partly, I must guiltily admit, out of curiosity to hear how the famous leaps in the second...
accs4
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Jul 16, 2009
6:21 pm

I don't agree. I've never understood the adulation for Richter's 1958 recording, which is much too fast and even slipshod in some spots. There are plenty of...
Michael Brenner
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Jul 16, 2009
11:51 pm

prediction for the leaps (I haven't heard the recording) - they are faster, but just as messy as in 1965. Perhaps Horowitz struggled all his life with that...
mkaykov
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Jul 17, 2009
12:01 am

What pianist has not struggled with this passage? joe salerno (that's my name, not the answer to the question)...
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captaincapstan
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Jul 17, 2009
2:54 am

Can you play them any better? Didn't think so....
Hank
hank_drake44105
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Jul 17, 2009
5:15 pm

... What an absurd 'prediction' - do you think Horowitz would have chosen a work containing a passage with which he 'struggled all his life' for one of the...
Mark
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Jul 17, 2009
5:32 pm

As if it weren't difficult enough, (H discussed this is in an interview) that perspiration dripped into his eyes and forced it to close. Try playing this with...
joe@...
captaincapstan
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Jul 17, 2009
6:41 pm

... While Wanda might not have approved the Liszt sonata - she certainly vetoed both Islamey and St. Francis Walking on the Water when they were proposed for...
dmanildi
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Jul 17, 2009
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Whoever owns the rights (Sony?) should sell them to a small label company, devoted to serve the heritage of art, and not primarily devoted to profit. The...
barny0948
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Jul 17, 2009
6:52 am

Very true. Wanda opposed the release of Islamey and St. Francis on the grounds that they were showy repertoire that Horowitz didn't play later in his career....
Hank
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Jul 17, 2009
1:20 pm

Perhaps a better strategy would be to encourage a small reissue label - Marston, APR, Arbiter, or such, or even Naxos to attempt licensing the recordings. joe...
joe@...
captaincapstan
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Jul 17, 2009
2:29 pm

Well, the Horowitz recording will probably find its way into a few hands. Carnegie Hall is giving away a free copy of it with certain concert subscriptions. I...
Michael Brenner
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Jul 17, 2009
2:30 pm

... In my view that was just a respectable-sounding excuse: the truth is that both performances are questionable contributions to the Horowitz Legend of...
Mark
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Jul 17, 2009
2:44 pm

... Well, I think Horowitz's performance of the Legend is very evocative of the idea of someone walking on turbulent water. I understand that for some people,...
accs4
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Jul 17, 2009
4:53 pm

The first two releases (from the 1990s) were geared toward repertoire Horowitz had not otherwise recorded. And with September's release of Islamey and St....
Hank
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Jul 17, 2009
5:10 pm

I think Mark is very much on point, the idiotic ending with octaves flying and his customary Rachmaninoff-ovian interlocking downward plunge has nothing to do...
cypkat60
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Jul 19, 2009
3:34 am

In the Islamey it sounds like he fluffs one bar but otherwise his slight change to the ending to me is ok. I prefer Richter in the Mussorgsky who doesnt need...
Derek Oppen
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Jul 19, 2009
10:57 am

Yes, well, locating that fine line between profound and tasteless concerning the number of roulades used in a piece about someone walking on water would be a...
accs4
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Jul 20, 2009
2:56 am

Perhaps if you read what I wrote, you would know that I was talking about Volodos's awful Vallee d'Obermann with all sorts of ridiculous antics that have...
cypkat60
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Jul 20, 2009
2:01 pm

Well put! ... as well....
mkaykov
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Jul 21, 2009
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... While Wanda might not have approved the 1949 Liszt sonata, Horowitz himself certainly did. In the November 1961 issue of Musical Courier, Jan Holcman...
dmanildi
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Sep 10, 2009
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I'm not surprised the New York Times review didn't mention the cut. Harold C. Schonberg didn't join the Times until 1950, and he was a rare classical music...
Hank
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Jul 8, 2009
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... ..."nowadays, when every note of the score is considered to be as holy writ"... I don't think that's true anymore, Mark. Doesn't matter if some old teacher...
gabbriellino
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Jul 8, 2009
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To Gabriele and others: your English must be better than you think. I would encourage members to post regardless of your perceived English skills, because...
Greg Lile
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