*Hey all, this will be the last interview that I will be posting on this
site. Due to the fact that I am a member of more than 200 yahoo groups & I
am sick of hearing people bitch because I am posting interviews conducted
with Rock & metal artists on so many of these rock & metal yahoo groups? I
am so sorry I'm not spamming porn I'll try to remember that in the future.
To those of you who have supported me thanx a bunch, if you want to continue
to read my interviews go to*

*http://groups.yahoo.com/group/INSIDE_OUT666 *

*That will be the only yahoo group that will now showcase my interviews!*

*Keep rockin*

*Cameron***

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*The Killer Dwarfs*

*Russ** & **Darrell** **Dwarf***

*Interview by: **Cameron** **Edney***

* *

*For more than twenty years now Canadian rockers the Killer Dwarfs have been
entertaining audiences worldwide. Formed in late 1981 by **Russ** and **
Darrell** **Dwarf**, the Killer Dwarfs released their self-titled debut
album in 1983 the band still have a large following today. The award-winning
band established a solid following in **Canada** and went on to dominate
audiences around the world. To date the official Killer Dwarfs website has
had more than one million hits proving they are still as popular now as they
have ever been. I recently had the pleasure of catching up with the founding
members of the Dwarfs **Russ** and **Darrell**. We spoke about life on the
road, the possibility of some new Killer Dwarfs material, **Darrell** & **
Russ**' solo projects and much more. I got this interview out just in time
for Halloween so let's go and trick or treat with The Killer Dwarfs!*

* *

* *

*INSIDE_OUT666: First of all guys, thanks for putting some time aside to
answer the following questions for all of our readers, it's truly a pleasure
to be doing this interview with you both. I'd like to start by going back to
1982/83 when you recorded the first self titled 'Killer Dwarfs' album. If
someone had come up to you & told you that you would still be doing this all
these years later would you have believed them?*

* *

Darrell Dwarf: Hey Cameron, it's our pleasure. I'd say yes actually. I
started out in this racket at about ten years old playing live. I knew this
would be a life long job.

Russ Dwarf: Honestly I probably would have, I think when you are younger
you really have a feeling of being immortal. I think it's kind of a
mechanism to help you survive all the rejection that comes with this
business. You must remember that by the time we got to 82/83 we all had been
doing this for at least six or seven years already, we thought we were old
veterans.

*INSIDE_OUT666: Many Killer Dwarfs fans around the world are hungry for
some new material. Can you shed any light on to when this is going to
happen?*

* *

D.D: Not sure if & when it's going to happen. Songs were written &
pre-production started, but that was as far as it got. The reunion of the
band in 2001 didn't really have set long term goals. It was really for the
fans to experience the band again.

R.D: Yes that would be nice. We have written new tunes in the last few
years, but still haven't gotten around to completing anything as
Darrellsaid. We all have other projects we are working on at this time
& just
haven't committed to anything as of yet.

* *

*INSIDE_OUT666: Do you guys have any plans in the works to release a DVD in
the next 12 months?*

* *

R.D: As you know we recorded a "Live" DVD & CD in the summer of 2001. Since
then we have pretty much recorded every show we've played, not to mention
the hours of video footage from the past 24 years. I have started to edit
some footage & would like to release some of it along with all the Videos.
I'm not really in a big hurry to do it though, plus, as in anything dealing
with this kind of thing, there is red tape for days...

* *

*INSIDE_OUT666: After all these years of writing and recording how do you
constantly come up with new fresh sounding material without falling into the
trap a lot of other bands do by repeating themselves?*

* *

D.D: It's tough writing with a band such as Killer Dwarfs. The band has a
set sound & lyrical direction. Ask Russ that one [laughs]. My new band
Automan.ca <http://Automan.ca> is in the infancy of writing & the music is
just pouring out effortlessly.

R.D: How do you know we haven't fallen into a trap? Seriously I think you
are always going to stick to certain styles you have come to know as you own
when it comes to writing. As far as the Killer Dwarfs we do have a
distinctive style that you probably call you signature. I think if you just
let it flow you can usually be true to yourself. When you start to think too
much or try to be something you're not that's when you might fall into a
cookie cutter trap. We all write different types of music outside of Killer
Dwarfs & all have quite a full musical ear, so I'm sure this also helps in
the end...

* *

*INSIDE_OUT666: Being a founding member of such an influential band, who
were you surprised to learn was a fan of the band?*

* *

D.D: Oh I can't think of one off hand, but I am surprised everyday at people
I first meet that know & love the band.

R.D: Good question. I have found that a lot of younger bands seem to be
fans such as Bowling for Soup.

* *

*INSIDE_OUT666: Guys it's no secret that you guys took quite a long break
for a while there; can you tell us how the first encounter back in the
studio went after such a long time apart?*

* *

D.D: Definitely a little strange, but it was incredible, how easy it was to
fall back into the old groove of The Dwarfs.

R.D: Yes that was interesting to say the least [laughs]. Some of us hadn't
talked in years, it was a bit scary, but also exciting. We knew we had
nothing to lose & even if you don't totally get along in every day living
there is still a bond that music brings you that no one else can really
understand. It can be quite a spiritual event.

*INSIDE_OUT666: Now **Darrell**, I want to talk a bit about the most recent
project in your life Automan.ca <http://Automan.ca> tell us how the band
formed?*

D.D: I am the front man in this band. I was touring with ZZ Top playing
drums in a band called Laidlaw from Southern California. I have always sung
& love to sing. On that tour I got up in the sound check with ZZ Top's road
crew & sang a few AC/DC songs every show. That started the spark. I moved
back to Toronto & sought out players to start an AC/DC tribute band to get
my front man chops up. Carleton Lockhart became my writing partner &
Automan.ca <http://Automan.ca> was born in 2002. If anyone wants to read the
full story they can go the official website.

*INSIDE_OUT666: Now unlike your work with the Killer Dwarfs & Laidlaw as
you just mentioned you're out fronting this band. Is being the front man
something you have wanted to do for a long time?*

D.D: Well, I think it is a challenge I always wanted to tackle. It just
looks like so much fun & it is. I like to talk, too much sometimes [laughs].
It's a good quality to have fronting a band.

*INSIDE_OUT666: How hard was it at first to make that transition after
sitting behind the kit all these years?*

D.D: I have to be honest. Went on like a glove. I felt like I had been
doing it my whole life.

*INSIDE_OUT666: Automan.ca <http://Automan.ca> has set up dates in November
for Canadian fans. Is there any plans to tour the states, **Europe** &
beyond?*

* *

D.D: Yes. Automan.ca <http://Automan.ca> has big goals & plans. The band
will tour where ever they will have us. We all know this will take some
powerful backing politically. This is in the works. First things first,
conquer our homeland of Canada.

*INSIDE_OUT666: How did Nikki Sixx become involved with producing the
Laidlaw album 'First Big Picnic' & how did you find working with Nikki?*

D.D: Nikki is as true of a Rockstar as the word itself. Nikki's a great
guy. He was great to work with. I tracked drums in two days on that first
Laidlaw disc. It all went smooth & quick. Nikki got involved because Craig
Defalco leader of Laidlaw was Nikki's tech. Sixx gave him the break.

*INSIDE_OUT666: After all these years & success what goals have you set for
yourself these days?*

R.D: To be the Happy!! To enjoy everyday with My Wife & Daughter, & try not
to sweat the small stuff, remember in the end it's all small stuff!!! I'd
like to continue to perform & write music, as of recently I have been asked
to teach an Rock 'n' Roll School for young bands. I'm really looking forward
to that plus I am working on my second solo CD.

D.D: To be as busy as possible everyday, & accomplish at least one thing
for the benefit of my career everyday.

*INSIDE_OUT666: I'd like to talk to you a bit about touring. What is the
most ridiculous thing you have ever asked for on a tour rider?*

* *

D.D: We were never one of these bands with the big demands & M&M's deal on
our rider. Booze & Food was the priority.

R.D: I used to have Cheesecake & Grand Marnier for myself. That's really
not that wild [laughs].

*INSIDE_OUT666: What do you remember from the first performance you did
together? *

* *

D.D: I was in a three piece band called Sphinx before the Killer Dwarfs. I
would sing many songs from the kit. When Russ hit the stage in front of me
for the first time, it was weird not singing, Seeing Russ running all over
in front of me took some time to get use to. It was great though. I knew the
band had something. Entertainment value for the most. It's hard to entertain
as a three piece. I find most of them boring except for ZZ Top & Rush.

R.D: It was in Darrell & Bryce's hometown of Oshawa Ontario. I really only
remember not being able to walk the next day [laughs]. Every bone in my body
ached.

* *

*INSIDE_OUT666: What's the strangest/funniest thing that has ever happened
to you on stage?*

D.D: A prank with Iron Maiden gone a-rye. It was the last night on tour
with Maiden at The Hammersmith. I was prancing around in my underwear &
boots during Maidens 'Die With Your Boots On' [Laughs]. Bruce got to me &
tore off the gotch & voila, here I am naked in front of all those blokes,
not good. [Laughs]

R.D: Hmm let me think, getting my eyeball pushed out of it socket was
interesting, breaking two ribs was another [laughs]. This was a very active
sport in our younger days.

* *

*INSIDE_OUT666: What is your favorite song/s to perform live?*

R.D: 'Doesn't Matter' & 'All That We Dream' are my favourites.

D.D: My favorite Killer Dwarfs tracks are 'Dirty Weapons', 'Want it Bad' &
'Doesn't matter'. Laidlaw; 'Catfish', 'Stew', 'Send My Baby Home' &
'Stoned'. Automan.ca <http://Automan.ca> I'd have to say all of them.

* *

*INSIDE_OUT666: When the time comes to work out the set list, do you find it
hard to choose the right songs, I mean there will always be fans who want to
hear the old stuff & the occasional obscure song & of course you have to
play some new tracks. Do you find it hard to make a set that will keep fans
of all eras happy?*

D.D: Well, Russ really had most of the say in picking the set, being the
singer. I was always pushing for stuff off the first album. Most fans
cherish the early stuff from any band.

R.D: We try to do something from every album. We usually keep the set
pretty much the same for a year or so & then switch it up once in awhile. It
also depends on the length of the show, if we are headlining or not, that
sort of thing.

* *

*INSIDE_OUT666: Do you do anything specific to warm up & prepare for a show?
*

* *

R.D: Cold Beer! We are Canadian you know [laughs].

D.D: [Laughs] Drumming I always do rudiments on a pad & stretches. Singing,
I do some stretching & warm the pipes up with some pre-singing.

*INSIDE_OUT666: I have to ask you Darrell, after years of using Vic Firth
drumsticks you changed to using the 2B emglow model that glows in the dark.
Which sounds very cool to me, I have read quotes where you've said the stick
last for several shows & never break. As a drummer I have to know how true
is that?*

D.D: Unfortunately the company is not manufacturing sticks anymore. I have
a huge surplus that will keep me in sticks for years. After that, I will
switch again. They don't break & do last several shows before they start to
fray in the middle like a regular stick.

*INSIDE_OUT666: The hardware that you use is amazing, for more than twenty
years now you have been bashing on Ludwig kits & Sabian cymbals what is it
about the two brands that has kept you using it for so long, have you ever
considered using other kits & cymbals?*

D.D: Cymbals has always Sabian & it will stay that way. Drums, there's lots
of good companies. DW is hot. I favour American drums. I have an old
Slingerland monster kit I still use, & several hot Ludwig kits. I have just
had great luck with these brands live & in the studio. It's all preference.

*INSIDE_OUT666: Over the years you guys have shared the stage with so many
great bands. Who have you enjoyed touring with the most & could you share a
funny road story with us from the tour?*

D.D: For me it's the Scorpions/Motley Crue tour. Once we were in a hotel
parking lot on one of Scorpions bus's. The bass player had taken us on with
some girls when he wasn't really supposed to be on the bus. One of the guys
in Laidlaw that I won't mention [laughs] dumped the shitter of the bus; it
streamed all down into the front lobby area with the real piss stench. Lots
of trouble from that one [laughs].

R.D: Iron Maiden is by far my favorite band; they are true gentlemen &
treated us with grace & respect. They are a class act all the way. On the
closing night of the Maiden dates Darrell ended up naked on stage with them
during 'Die With Your Boots On' as he mentioned before, comedy at its
finest! [Laughs] We have video footage of the event that will hopefully make
it to DVD someday.

* *

*INSIDE_OUT666: What has been the best show of your life so far?*

* *

D.D: Way too many to hit one show. Massey Hall in Toronto with Laidlaw was a
highlight. I love the history of that venue. The Iron Maiden/Dwarfs tour;
Hammersmith & Wembley Arena was memorable shows.

R.D: I have to agree it's too hard to pin point just one show, there have
been a few. The first time in San Antonio Texas at the Majestic Theatre was
a highlight early on for sure, plus the shows we played on the Maiden
"Seventh Son" Tour in the U.K. were amazing, Hammersmith Odeon in London was
certainly a highlight show.

* *

*INSIDE_OUT666: Is there a show that you'd recall as the worst one?*

* *

*D.D: Yes, it was a Dwarfs show at a club in Brooklyn; I think it was in
Brooklyn! We were drunk at a pre show autograph session for the label. Then
limo's took us to this show in Brooklyn. A traffic accident made us real
late for the show. The freeway was shut down. We finally made the show at 3
am to pissed off fans. I played like shit. I don't get drunk to perform. I
was over my limit that night. [Laughs]*

R.D: [Laughs] Tulsa Oklahoma! That's all I'm gonna say [laughs].

*INSIDE_OUT666: Do you have any plans in the pipeline to tour Australia?*

* *

D.D: Oh I would love to; it's all up to the promoters down there.

R.D: No one's asked! We absolutely would love come down. If you know of any
agents interested let me know!

* *

*INSIDE_OUT666: Russ I will keep you in mind mate, you guys have grown up
influenced by some of the greatest bands in Rock 'n' Roll history. Do you
feel you have played a large role in influencing many of today's hard
rock/metal acts?*

* *

R.D: That's hard to say. I just love Rock 'n' Roll very much & I'm proud to
have been able to make my life making music.

D.D: I would like to think so but I'm not sure how true that is.

*INSIDE_OUT666: What are the biggest differences you guys notice these days
in the business compared to when you were starting out?*

* *

D.D: Oh there are many. For one, these days there are thousands of bands to
compete with. Two, major labels don't let a band get to maturity. They drop
them after one if it doesn't sell millions, thus the indie record industry
is becoming a force. So is internet radio. Thank god for the internet. It
has helped the small artist starting out immensely.

R.D: Mostly that the market has shrunk & the Big Companies have really lost
ground as far as developing anything that really has lasting power. I know
there are a few great new bands out there. Well maybe not that new like
Green Day & such, but they are few & far between. It's all about the cash
ain't it? So for one real Green Day they all try to clone another dozen like
them & it ain't working. Here today gone later today... Yikes!!!

* *

*INSIDE_OUT666: Has there ever been a point of your career where you
personally lost hope & thought everything was over?*

* *

D.D: There was a brief moment when things were grim in 1996. Right before I
joined Laidlaw. I was actually not in a band for the first time in my life.
What a horrible feeling. Killer Dwarfs had disbanded, my wife had left me, I
was fucked. It's been all good since then though. Good learning experience
about my own character. Some people kill themselves over shit like that. You
have to be a strong mother fucker at times in this life.

R.D: I think everyone has high & low points; you would be totally insane if
you didn't. I bitch about it all the time, but I figure I have the right.
I've done it! Press on [laughs].

* *

*INSIDE_OUT666: To become a star these days it seems the only way to make it
would be to go on a reality music show like Idol or Pop stars (if you wanna
call it that), Rockstar Inxs etc. What do you think about the mass wave of
reality shows looking for so called "Talent" and do you watch any of them?*

D.D: I watch all of them. When it's new, it's kind of cool to see the
talent sweat it. There's lots of pressure. Now there are too many of these
shows & the novelty is worn off.

R.D: They should be called "Unreality Shows" [laughs].

* *

*INSIDE_OUT666: [Laughs] Unreality why do you say that Russ?*

R.D: These shows give people a false sense of hope I think, but who the
hell am I to say? I just have to wonder how many people are this delusional
about show business, but hey I guess that's why it seems to be such a
mystery unless you are totally involved in it. I'm sure it serves a purpose
to the "corporate world" keep them guessing & thinking it's all that easy
anyone that has been around for more than ten minutes knows that this is
just "entertainment" not "reality", if it was all that simple we'd all have
#1 albums! Bottom line with these winners, I don't think they have the
respect of peers or really have peers at all. They never really worked that
hard for it or sacrificed anything. This is just a case of big money getting
their way without having to deal real creativity or cultivate anything with
substance. Maybe I'm just a bitter old Dwarf!

* *

*INSIDE_OUT666: In your honest opinion what do you think about the direction
that Hard Rock & Heavy Metal music has taken over the last few years?*

* *

D.D: I don't agree with it all, but I think Grunge was necessary. It all
just comes back around. This summer was chalked full of old metal tours like
Judas Priest, Iron Maiden & Def Leppard. I thought I was back in the
eighties this past summer.

R.D: I really couldn't say, I do realize it has become so main stream as
far as being "In" to wear the Motorhead, Iron Maiden swag & such but I don't
know what that means, I can't assume because we see some TV star wearing a
Motorhead shirt that they are really listening to it. I think Heavy Metal is
a way of life. I know though that there are way more young kids rockin' out
to this old stuff, which is really good to see.

* *

*INSIDE_OUT666: Oh I agree there, it's really nice to see younger fans
getting into the Heavy Metal roots. Are either of you currently listening to
any of the newer Hard Rock/Metal bands? If so who?*

* *

D.D: I have been listening to a lot of Indie internet radio. Bands no one
has heard of. Also I like Audioslave, Green Day, Velvet Revolver & Theory Of
A Deadman. I spin these disc's frequently, as well as old Creedance, Alice
Cooper, AC/DC & Johnny Winter.

R.D: As of late I have been listening to a band called 'Old Crow Medicine
Show' a cool Hick-Billy band for the south. They do traditional bluegrass,
really fun tunes. I also have been getting into the new 'Van Zant' brothers
Cd, that's a total master piece! These two guys' are the younger brothers of
'Ronnie Van Zant' the singer of Lynyrd Skynyrd. If you like southern rock,
then check this out. I think you'll be hearing from these guys for a long
while, cheers to them!

* *

*INSIDE_OUT666: What advice do you have for up and coming Rock/Metal bands?*

* *

D.D: Make sure you have a solid girlfriend that will get your back in
everyway without whining, & you are in.

R.D: Believe in yourself & don't take no for an answer. Someone will always
try to rain on your parade, if you truly love what you do it will happen,
that goes for anything in life. Try to remember it's a gift & a privilege to
be able to do this for your life's work. You don't have the cure cancer.
It's just showbiz. You've gotta laugh or you're gonna cry.

* *

*INSIDE_OUT666: There has been so many highlights in your career, what would
you say have been your greatest achievements to date?*

* *

D.D: Surviving the Rock n Roll business for twenty eight years. That's about
as big as it gets.

R.D: Being forty five & still alive for one [laughs]. It's still too early
to look back at this point. If I make it to seventy five maybe I'll feel
like I've really accomplished something. I know I've been lucky to have been
able to live my dreams through Rock n Roll that is pretty cool considering
you start dreaming that when you're like eleven years old [laughs].

* *

*INSIDE_OUT666: Which record/song would define Darrell & Russ Dwarf to
complete strangers?*

* *

D.D: Back in Black – AC/DC.

R.D: Rock n' Roll Suicide – David Bowie.

* *

*INSIDE_OUT666: In a few words can you tell us the first thing that comes to
mind when I mention the following Killer Dwarfs tracks?*

* *

*Time to Move on: *

D.D: Weak Production.

R.D: First BBQ!

* *

*We Stand Alone: *

D.D: Gay!

R.D: A cyst on my jaw. This song started out very heavy, by the time it got
worked over it was Killer Dwarfs light as far as I was concerned &
definitely should not have been the first single on that CD. Oh well you
can't win them all [laughs]. This is what happens when you get a Huge Record
deal & stop paying attention [laughs]. I personally thought the first single
on that CD should have been 'Tell Me Please'.

* *

*Dirty Weapons: *

D.D: Powerful Rock Hit.

R.D: L.A., Andy Johns. This is one of my fave Killer Dwarfs tracks it still
sounds fresh to me.

* *

*Method to the madness:*

D.D: Heavy.

R.D: "The Cod Father", one of the first tunes I wrote with guitarist Gerry
Finn.

* *

*Do or Die: *

D.D: Drums from Hell.

R.D: A new beginning after the first album... we really felt all alone and
were really hungry to prove we could make a good record on our own.

* *

*INSIDE_OUT666: If you could put a band together consisting of musicians
passed and/or present who would they be and what would you call the band?*

* *

R.D: Well then... Bon Scott on vocals, Rick Derringer on guitar, John
Bonhamon drums & Geddy Lee bass & me Bus driver! [Laughs]

D.D: Me on vocals. Nikki Sixx on Bass, Eric Singer on Drums & Billy Gibbons
on Guitars, Band Name 'The Pricks' [laughs].

*INSIDE_OUT666: What are you plans for the rest of the year?*

* *

D.D: Working 24/7 with my record label uNKLEDUNk Records, marketing &
touring Automan.ca <http://Automan.ca>.

R.D: Writing tunes for my solo CD & some songs for other people, plus
working as a teacher for a Rock School & going to the Casino!

*INSIDE_OUT666: Any last words you want to share with our readers?*

* *

D.D: This was a long assed interview [laughs]. Hope you enjoyed my efforts.
See you out there.

R.D: Keep on Keepin On!! Go Dunks!!

*(c)** **Cameron** **Edney** Oct. 2005 *

*Not to be re-printed in any form without written permission.*

*For all the latest news on the Dwarfs or any of their solo projects go to
the following sites:*

* *

http://www.killerdwarfs.com

http://www.darrellmillar.com

http://www.Automan.ca <http://www.automan.ca/>

http://insideout666.mysite.freeserve.com

http://www.uNKLEDUNkRecords.com <http://www.unkledunkrecords.com/>


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