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Sean-nos as opposed to trad style- hmmm. I could tell you how much of an
expert I am on the subject, and wind up making a fool of myself, but
instead I'll be honest. I didn't know there was a difference before
yesterday! lol- Although what you refer to as sean-nos are the songs
I've always said, "if only I could find a couple people to play a
hurdy-gurdy, bodhran and bones while I sing that one..." Keep in mind,
I'm 35 from North Carolina- since I play neither mellow Jerry Garcia
leads nor blazing Eddie Van Halen solos, a lot of people around here
don't think I 'really' play guitar, lol. So I'm pretty much self taught,
and my own style of music often veers away from what a ridgid
traditionalist would consider good form.

Back to the question, sean-nos seems like a more primitive, almost
tribal form of music. Performing alone gives a musician a lot of freedom
with the ornamentation s/he can use, also with rhythm, in the sense of
missing a beat to take a breath. Actually, some sean-nos kind of reminds
me of some of the Krishna chants- not musically in the sense of key and
rhythm, but just the general "feeling" of the music.

That's my take on your question, really just a first impression from a
beginner to this style of music. Hopefully I'll have the chance to hear
from some people who know more than I about this music, who have studied
it enough to word their answers more proficiently than I can!

Drew


--- In traditionalirishsinging@yahoogroups.com, Brian Matthew Hart
<ohairt@...> wrote:
>
> I've only used an instrument to find a note if I'm
> a)singing accompanied or b)know my range is limited
> and must sing in that key in order to hit my notes.
>
> What's your take on what sean-nós singing is as
> opposed to irish traditional singing?
>
> B.
> --- drew muse_shop@... wrote:
> > And to start up a topic of conversation, let
> > me know what you think
> > of this: I'll admit I don't have the best ear for
> > pitch, so I've found
> > that tapping out a melody on the xylophone is a
> > great tool, I can learn
> > to sing it properly by matching the notes, then of
> > course drop the xy
> > when it's time to just sing! I'm pretty much a loner
> > musician, that's
> > just something I came up with and find helpful- I'm
> > curious as to
> > whether anyone else uses similar resources during
> > practice?

> > -Drew






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Here's a little about me. The first sean nos song I heard, about 23 years ago, reached out and grabbed me and hasn't let go! Until then I had been sort of a...
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Dec 4, 2002
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Hi, David, Nice intro. It's my opinion that creative people are creative in many different ways, so it isn't unusual for singers and musicians, to be visual...
Alice Flynn
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Dec 5, 2002
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Hello, everyone! Other than singing, I play guitar, Irish flute, rennaisance recorder, pennywhistle, piano, congas and african hand drums (roped goatskin...
drew
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Welcome, Drew. This listserv has generally been moribund this last year (or maybe more), so I don't know what kind of response you'll get. I'm still here...
davidingerson9
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Mar 7, 2007
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It's good to know that you found out about Sean-nós Milwaukee from this listserve. I'm glad you came and I hope to see you next year! Brían Ó hAirt. ... ...
Brian Matthew Hart
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Mar 7, 2007
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Thanks for the warm welcomes! Moribund, you say? lol- I know a way to change that! Although in reality, I wouldn't expect such a specific group as Sean-nos...
drew
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Mar 7, 2007
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I've only used an instrument to find a note if I'm a)singing accompanied or b)know my range is limited and must sing in that key in order to hit my notes. ...
Brian Matthew Hart
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Mar 7, 2007
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Sean-nos as opposed to trad style- hmmm. I could tell you how much of an expert I am on the subject, and wind up making a fool of myself, but instead I'll be...
drew
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Mar 8, 2007
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Thanks for that. I'm always interested with singers' first impressions of sean-nós. I'm not proposing that I know all of the answers so that's why I asked...
Brian Matthew Hart
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Mar 9, 2007
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Oh my heavens! Brian. Not these sorts of arguments. I know you honor and participate in the tradition in a deep and lively way, but looking at it this way is...
David Ingerson
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Mar 10, 2007
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This isn't an argument David but an open conversation to exchange ideas. I'd like to hear other people's ideas. Brían ... ...
Brian Matthew Hart
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Ah Brian, sorry to have come across as argumentative. I think of the word argument more in its academic sense: presenting positions and supporting arguments,...
David Ingerson
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i have been pondering this for some time now. i have been with several bands over the past few years being a singer songwriter i have found that the most...
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hey dave why do we have the same last name? cheers dave ingerson <n3qck@...> wrote: i have been pondering this for some time now. i have been...
dave ingerson
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here is an idea loving folk songs and balleds tred celtic music has come a long way from the emergration period to the present still ill sing the tred songs...
dave ingerson
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That's odd, two David Ingersons! Perhaps I should have steered the conversation in the direction of Irish language songs. David from the West Coast, USA, yes,...
Brian Matthew Hart
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Hi there, Dave Ingerson, Irish singer! Sorry for how late I'm replying. Life sure gets busy sometimes. And then I got a sore throat and pretty sick just for...
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Hello DAVE, Its DAVE, yes it is true I have been playing and preforming traditional Irish music for over 27yrs. I have a 6 piece band short 1 but that's...
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See! Someone mentioned postings being lackadasical lately (actually, moribund I believe was the word chosen), I said I could change that, lol! But to the...
drew
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Two David Ingersons singing sean nos! How wild is that! Just a few personal comments on the music... Singing the songs has been a part of my life, even though ...
Alice Flynn
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Mar 21, 2007
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So did anyone get a hold of Roisin Elsafty or Iarla O Lionaird's new albums? Brian dave ingerson <n3qck@...> wrote:...
Brian Matthew Hart
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When you use the term sean-nos are you talking about songs in the Irish language or songs in the English language from Ireland? What songs do you sing in the...
Brian Matthew Hart
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Mar 21, 2007
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Hey Drew, don't worry about your skill or knowledge level. What counts is your enjoyment level. Besides, each of us is at our own level of knowledge or skill...
David Ingerson
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Mar 25, 2007
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thanks DAVE hello to all was a busy ST PATRICKS day weekend fun was had by all i was wondering where did the song HOME FROM THE SEA come from cant seem to find...
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Mar 25, 2007
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Well put David. You've a very interesting perspective on the tradition. I find the term sean-nós to be a singing STYLE nearly exclusive to native speakers of...
Brian Matthew Hart
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Mar 29, 2007
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Well put David. You've a very interesting perspective on the tradition. I find the term sean-nós to be a singing STYLE nearly exclusive to native speakers of...
Brian Matthew Hart
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Mar 29, 2007
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Hey Brian, Thanks for your well-thought-out definition. You've obviously put a lot of thought and care into your ideas. Defining a term like sean nos reminds...
David Ingerson
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I'm no so much splitting hairs as I am diseminating a family tree. My aunt Margie is a sister to my mom but I'm not a product of my Aunt Margie. A singer's...
Brian Matthew Hart
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OK, Brian. You have won me over. That's not easy to do, mind you. Your telling arguments, to my mind, were two: one cultural-political and one linguistic. ...
David Ingerson
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