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Groven and 171-tone equal temperament?   Message List  
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I remember, years ago, reading the New Grove entry on microtonality, to find
one composer listed as using 171-tone equal temperament. My best
recollection was that is was Groven, but after years of hearing Groven
referred to as a 36-tone JI composer, I tried to flush that from my memory.
So now it turns out that Groven used 1/8-schisma temperament. Well, a
1/8-schisma tempered fifth is 701.711 cents, while 100/171 octave is 701.754
cents. Close enough, but the questions remain: Did New Grove actually say
that? If so, did they get it from something Groven actually said or wrote,
or did someone else note this approximation? 118-tone equal temperament
comes closer, with a fifth of 701.695 cents, so where did 171-tET come from
(if not my own confusion)?

To tuning listers: this is of interest partially to fill out Joe Monzo's ET
table, and partially because 171 (along with 22) just came up as the most
common periodicity block size using Fokker's unison vectors of 225:224 or
smaller. Also, 171-tET has a maximum error of 0.40 cents in the 9-limit,
making it the lowest ET to improve on 99-tET's figure of 2.15 cents. In fact
171 is best for its size for the 7-limit and even the 5-limit (just barely
beating 118), but not the 3-limit, where 53 is better. Wildly speculating
(given his interest in the seljefløyte): maybe Groven chose 171 over 118
because 171 is consistent through the 13-limit while 118 is consistent only
though the 11-limit?





Thu Sep 9, 1999 10:12 pm

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I remember, years ago, reading the New Grove entry on microtonality, to find one composer listed as using 171-tone equal temperament. My best recollection was...
Paul H. Erlich
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Sep 9, 1999
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... Bravo, Paul! I think you may be on to something here. -monz Joseph L. Monzo Philadelphia monz@... ...
Joe Monzo
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Sep 10, 1999
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I wrote, ... Joe Monzo wrote, ... Apparently not. David Code, who maintains the Groven site, says Groven never mentioned 171-tET and Code couldn't even find...
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I don't have a copy of Grove's Dictionary of Music and Musicians in any edition among the books in my music library, as best as I can recall. It is over a...
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Sep 13, 1999
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... I have it here at work, but I have to get going. I'll look tomorrow-- but I'll tell you now that I've read just about all the entries I can find in Grove...
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Sep 13, 1999
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