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Re: new circle-of-5ths page (was: Notation and new terms)

--- In tuning@yahoogroups.com, "Gene Ward Smith" <gwsmith@s...>
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> --- In tuning@yahoogroups.com, "monz" <monz@t...> wrote:
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> > http://tonalsoft.com/enc/index2.htm?circle-of-5ths.htm
>
> I think you need to point out that an equal temperament can have
more
> than one circle. 15 and 22 would be good examples.

22-ET would _not_ be a good example. It only has one circle of its
best fifths. What may have misled you is that it supports two chains
of fifths a half-octave apart, but these eventually run into each
other and form a single cycle. Here are all examples no larger than
72-ET.

2 cycles: 10, 14, 24, 34, 38, 44, 52, 54, 58, 62
3 cycles: 15, 21, 36, 51, 57, 66
4 cycles: 20, 28, 48, 68
5 cycles: 25, 35, 60
6 cycles: 30, 72.





Tue Aug 17, 2004 1:46 am

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Hi there, I can see the need for new terms. However also sometimes one can go overboard and introduce too many of them. To give an example that may be clear...
Robert Walker
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hi Robert, ... thanks for your suggestions and comments. i've always viewed the Dictionary/Encyclopaedia as a repository of *all* the words anyone researching ...
monz
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Aug 15, 2004
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... Hi monz! I have an insight: how about a page on circles of fifths? I suggest this because 1) musicians already know about one, and you've got one on your...
Jacob
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Aug 16, 2004
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... fifths? I suggest this ... your "brief ... simple example can ... scales. Flatten your ... more and bang! 26 ... website. I use it ... report on whether...
Dave Keenan
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hi Jacob, ... i'll be eventually having lots and lots of newbie-tutorial stuff on the Tonalsoft site, complete with rotatable 3-D lattices and audio examples...
monz
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Aug 16, 2004
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... I think you need to point out that an equal temperament can have more than one circle. 15 and 22 would be good examples....
Gene Ward Smith
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Aug 16, 2004
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hi Gene, ... wow, thanks for reminding me of that. you mean because of alternative mappings of the "5th", right? -monz...
monz
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Aug 16, 2004
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... That and the fact that a circle of fifths can close in a circle smaller than the whole circle for the temperament. If n is the number if divisions of the...
Gene Ward Smith
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Aug 16, 2004
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... more ... 22-ET would _not_ be a good example. It only has one circle of its best fifths. What may have misled you is that it supports two chains of fifths...
Dave Keenan
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Aug 17, 2004
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... Sorry, I was thinking 88....
Gene Ward Smith
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... we are talking about bike-chains here, aren't we? http://tonalsoft.com/enc/index2.htm?bike-chain.htm -monz...
monz
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Aug 17, 2004
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... Yes, but it's only the examples of multiple cycles of _fifths_ (or equivalently fourths). There are of course multiple chains of _other_ intervals in other...
Dave Keenan
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... I think it makes more sense to assume "chain" means "open chain" unless otherwise specified. Mathmaticians do that, for what that is worth around here, and...
Gene Ward Smith
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... http://launch.groups.yahoo.com/group/tuning/message/55637 ... chains ... ***Hi Dave! Are you saying here that 22-tET can be described by 72-tET?? Just...
Joseph Pehrson
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... its ... each ... than ... No. That should have been, "Here are all ETs no larger than 72-ET that have more than one cycle of fifths."...
Dave Keenan
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Aug 24, 2004
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... I'd just like to chime in that I did a circle of 5ths page a few months ago: http://home.austin.rr.com/jmjensen/CircleOf5thsFun.html It is currently...
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Hi Monz, ... Thanks, definitely an easier read for a newbie. Shows that you can do it :-). ... Or might possibly need to know if the terms in it get accepted...
Robert Walker
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... http://launch.groups.yahoo.com/group/tuning/message/55558 ... ***This is a brilliant suggestion. Quite frankly, I think I mentioned some variation on it...
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