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Re: Werckmeister's Septenarius temperament

> Now I'm going to scan through the boring historical
> stuff on your page for an explanation as to why there
> is a choice involving the second degree. Anything you
> can do to speed that up would also be appreciated.

! septenarius.scl
Septenarius scale ('Werckmeister VI')
12
!
98/93 ! =196/186
196/175 ! 196/176 apparently a typo
196/165
49/39 ! =196/156
4/3 ! =196/147
196/139
196/131
49/31 ! =196/124
196/117
98/55 ! =196/110
49/26 ! =196/104
2
!

-Carl




Tue Feb 13, 2007 4:39 pm

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Tom has a web page on this I'm trying to decipher: http://www.rzuser.uni-heidelberg.de/~tdent/septenarius.html It it he presents the deviations from JI fifths...
Gene Ward Smith
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Feb 12, 2007
8:16 pm

... // ... Thank you, Gene. -Carl...
Carl Lumma
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Feb 12, 2007
10:16 pm

... ... Once more - this scale is NOT correct. Honestly, all you have to do is read the webpage from start to finish to find out exactly what Werckmeister...
Tom Dent
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Feb 13, 2007
11:59 am

... Give the scale or don't give it, but please don't blame other people for your failures....
Gene Ward Smith
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Feb 13, 2007
7:06 pm

... MY failures? What the hell do you mean by that? The very first table in the webpage gives the scale with complete clarity; for an unfathomable reason, some...
Tom Dent
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Feb 14, 2007
1:02 pm

Hi gene your scale has degrees of 1568-edl you can see something about this EDl-based well temperament and 196-EDL and The Septenarius, Werckmeister's mythical...
Mohajeri Shahin
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Feb 13, 2007
11:08 am

... The DEFINITION of the scale is in the monochord numbers, which are the first table in the webpage. I was working on the assumption that people would start...
Tom Dent
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Feb 13, 2007
12:01 pm

... and ... is ... to the ... the ... Scala) ... Werckmeister ... tuning. ... tell. ... Apparently you missed this earlier post of mine......
Cameron Bobro
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Feb 13, 2007
12:26 pm

... Believe it or not, Tom, I have about 2323 phone calls, 30949 e-mails, and 3909409 web pages to answer and read every day, only a fraction of them about...
Carl Lumma
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Feb 13, 2007
4:31 pm

... ! septenarius.scl Septenarius scale ('Werckmeister VI') 12 ! 98/93 ! =196/186 196/175 ! 196/176 apparently a typo 196/165 49/39 ! =196/156 4/3 ! =196/147 ...
Carl Lumma
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Feb 13, 2007
4:39 pm

... It's got one sharp fifth, but no thirds sharper than 81/64 like Paul's Continuo tuning. It does have a fifth even flatter than the 1/4-comma fifths he so...
Carl Lumma
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Feb 13, 2007
4:46 pm

... Indeed... "the major thirds are perfectly consistent with Werckmeister's other tunings [of 1691]: the purest lie at F-A and C-E, while the little-used...
Tom Dent
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Feb 13, 2007
5:53 pm

... The dynamic range of WTs is quite narrow, even if you do things like allow sharp fifths. Listening tests here suggest that it's harder to distinguish them...
Carl Lumma
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Feb 14, 2007
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... Oh get off it, Carl! There are a lot of serious people doing a lot of very good and solid research in this field. There's also a lot of good, solid...
Paul Poletti
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Feb 14, 2007
3:42 pm

... That's mainly because most of the ones that have been tested here aren't very unequal, and/or because of acoustic conditions (timbre and sustain). Try...
Tom Dent
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Feb 16, 2007
6:37 pm

... When in the history of circulating temperament did anyone *ever* use a temperament as unequal as grail--which tested out very nicely?...
Gene Ward Smith
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Feb 16, 2007
8:07 pm

... Rameau's 1726 advice asks for a run of 7 quarter-comma fifths (starting on either C or Bb) then gradual widening over the remaining 5, the last two being...
Tom Dent
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Feb 17, 2007
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... If we were to have a color test with things like cold orange-reds and a warm red-oranges, would you say that the colors are hard to distinguish based on a...
Cameron Bobro
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Feb 18, 2007
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... No, but I couldn't even tell the difference between all of the scales. And as I said, I wasn't trying to identify them, either; just rate their consonance...
Carl Lumma
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Feb 18, 2007
6:49 pm

... The alternative is Werckmeister's actual figures, but those give screwy results, and assuming he made a writeo clears that up....
Gene Ward Smith
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Feb 13, 2007
7:56 pm

... Which are NUMBERS. This is, without doubt or question, a nonstandard notation for positive rational numbers. Had they been given correctly in this notation...
Gene Ward Smith
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Feb 13, 2007
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... W's modified stringlengths can be interpreted as absolute frequencies of an 5ths circle: a'440Hz a220 A110 e'330 e165 b' 495 1485/1484 f#"742 f#'371 ...
Andreas Sparschuh
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Apr 12, 2007
6:59 pm

... F and F# are the same note....
Gene Ward Smith
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Apr 12, 2007
9:41 pm

Comments below! ... frequencies ... Instead of 496 and 372. This avoids having a wide e-b fifth and is better for G major and D major. ... I don't think this...
Tom Dent
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Apr 13, 2007
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... right, in order to get rid of the oversharp wolfs in W's original stringlength numbers, alike in his famous #3 the 'quaternarius' has only 4 flattend and 8...
Andreas Sparschuh
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... agreed, hence i do return to W's original 131. ... also right, hence so the resulting ratios get even more simple: The calculations benefit from that by...
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