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Reply | Forward Message #75930 of 85346 |
almost just anothers...was: Re: A Rational Well Temperaments

> --- In tuning@yahoogroups.com, "Tom Dent" <stringph@> wrote:
>
Hi George, Tom & all others,
...just compare my actual refined 'squiggle' versus your similar...
>...old suggestion:

313 > E 315
334 > F 335
352 > F# 354
375 > G 376
396 > G# 398
418 > A 421 cps or Hz
445.5 > Bb 447
469.5 > B 472
501 > C 502
528 > C# 531
560 > D 563
594 > Eb 597

!squiggle418cps.scl
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Sparschuh's 2008 Cammerton a4=418Hz 'squiggle'
176/167 ! C#
560/501 ! D
198/167 ! Eb
626/501 ! E = (5/4)*(2504/2505)
4/3 ! F
704/501 ! F#
250/167 ! G = (3/2)*(500/501)
264/167 ! G#
839/501 ! A
297/167 ! Bb
313/167 ! B
2/1

obtained from tempering some 5ths sharper than pure by the amounts:
C 500/501 G 374/375 D 224/225 A 209/201 E 626/627 B 2816/2817 F#...
...F# - C# - G# - Eb - Bb 2672/2673 F - C.
>

> George's proposal:
> 364, 384, 408, 432, 456, 486, 512, 545, 576, 610, 648, 683, 728:
>
> ! WTPB-24c.scl
> !
> George Secor's 24-triad proportional-beating well-temperament (24c)
> 12
> !
> 96/91
> 102/91
> 108/91
> 114/91
> 243/182
> 128/91
> 545/364
> 144/91
> 305/182
> 162/91
> 683/364
> 2/1
>
that sounds really fine,
works similar on 91=13*7 alike my HIP:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historically_informed_performance
Contius reconstruction:

F: 3^6 = 729 ( > 728 364 182 91 = 13*7 )
C: 3*91 = 273
G: (3*273 = 819 1638 >) 1637 ( > 1632 816 408 204 102 51)
D: (51*3 = 153 306 612 >) 611 ( >608 304 152 76 38 19)
A: 19*3 = 57
E: (57*3 = 171 342 684 >) 683
B: (3*683 = 2049 >) 2048 ... 1=3^0
F# 3
C# 9 = 3^2
G# 27 = 3^3
Eb 81 = 3^4
Bb 243 = 3^5
F: 729 = 3^6

all 5ths inbetween the accidentials or nominals are just 3/2 pure.

!ContiusHIP.scl
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HIP reconstruction of Contius organ-tuning in Halle by A. Sparschuh
192/91 ! C#
611/546 ! D
108/91 ! Eb
683/546 ! E = (5/4)*(1366/1365)
243/182 ! F
128/91 ! F#
1637/1092 ! G = (3/2)*(1637/1638)
144/91 ! G#
456/273 ! A Choir-tone 456cps or Hz
162/91 ! Bb
512/273 ! B
2/1
!

Which one of that ones would you prefer or even improve?

A.S.





Fri Apr 18, 2008 4:54 pm

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... Not bad. However, in spite of the somewhat lower numbers, the brats aren't as quite as simple as with my 24c (with five consecutive pure fifths): 364,...
George D. Secor
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Apr 15, 2008
7:39 pm

... Hi George, Tom & all others, ... 313 > E 315 334 > F 335 352 > F# 354 375 > G 376 396 > G# 398 418 > A 421 cps or Hz 445.5 > Bb 447 469.5 > B 472 501 > C...
Andreas Sparschuh
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Apr 18, 2008
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... Hi Andreas, I won't be able to listen to any of these yet, but here are my comments from looking at the numbers. ... Not bad. This is probably the one I...
George D. Secor
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Apr 18, 2008
9:07 pm

... Hi George, why 4.6 cents? Anyway, the following tuning has the errors of all fifths under 4.6 cents: ! 12 ! 224/211 237/211 252/211 266/211 282/211 299/211...
Kalle Aho
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Apr 23, 2008
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... !Kalle_C211Hz.scl ... That yields realized in concrete absolute-pitches: C: 211 C# 224 D: 237 Eb 252 E: 266 F: 282 F# 299 G: 316 G# 336 A: 355 ~...
Andreas Sparschuh
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Apr 24, 2008
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... and ... two ... are ... the ... not ... I should have said 4.7 cents. That's the maximum amount the fifths are tempered in my 5/23-comma temperament...
George D. Secor
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Apr 24, 2008
8:52 pm

... Dear George, as cycle of 5ths: C 149 g: (447>) 446 G=223 d: (669>) 668 334 D=167 a: (501>) 500 A=250 125 e: (375>) 374 E=187 b: (561>) 560 B=280 140 70 35 ...
Andreas Sparschuh
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Apr 25, 2008
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... 5th? ... with ... on >C. ... 5th? ... Yes, that's very good. Thank you for spotting that! --George...
George D. Secor
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Apr 28, 2008
5:07 pm

(This replaces message #76092, which I've deleted, because there was an error in the .scl listing.) ... of ... yet, ... is ... & ... I've found a way to make...
George D. Secor
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Apr 29, 2008
6:22 pm

... Hi George, Tom & all others, ... Did you mean by that following corresponding absolute pitches, or which other frequncies had you concrete in mind when ...
Andreas Sparschuh
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Apr 23, 2008
3:58 pm

... Secor) ... I didn't intend any particular absolute pitches when giving these ratios. I expected that you would use whatever pitch reference you like. ...
George D. Secor
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Apr 23, 2008
5:04 pm

... Hi George, Tom & all others, ... starting in chromatically order from: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Middle_C ... I.m.h.o. any tuning for a conrete...
Andreas Sparschuh
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Apr 24, 2008
2:45 pm

... extremely ... A=440 is my preference. (I see no reason why the frequencies of all of the pitches should be exact integers.) With most well- temperaments...
George D. Secor
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Apr 24, 2008
9:04 pm

... at the moment i do prefer from Werckmeister's septenarian comma versus the SC 81/80 = (99/98)*(441/440) divided into 3 epimoric subparts: 99/98 =...
Andreas Sparschuh
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Apr 25, 2008
7:54 pm

... all ... A=440; ... C' ... 294/295 ... Either I don't understand this, or something is very wrong with the numbers. The fifths D-A and A-E are tempered >23...
George D. Secor
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Apr 28, 2008
5:25 pm

... 11-limit septenarian comma versus the SC ... 3^4/5/16 = (11*3^2/7^2/2)*(7^2*3^2/11/5/2^3) i do call the ratio: 441/440 ...
Andreas Sparschuh
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May 2, 2008
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... I believe there are still a few mistakes. From the sizes of the fifths you give, I think that perhaps you meant this: 558/529 ! C# 592/529 ! D ...
George D. Secor
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... Hi George, ... in deed, even that *.scl-file contained some unfixed bug. ... Many thanks again for that repair. ... when considering more evaluated digits,...
Andreas Sparschuh
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May 8, 2008
5:27 pm

... Me too. It's a well-temperament only in the less strict sense that there is no harmonic waste. ... And there are fairly simple beating ratios for other...
Kalle Aho
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Apr 11, 2008
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... negative ... Well, I think there's more to it than that. The four best major 3rds all occur consecutively on one side of the circle of 5ths, so there is a...
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... Hey, Kalle, you are from Finland? I wanted to learn Finnish about two years ago but I never did it systematically or regularly so it went terribly slowly....
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... Hi Petr, yes I am, originally from western Finland from the region of Ostrobothnia, now living in Helsinki. ... eastern Finland? I don't think this...
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I am curious about the difference between eastern and western finland music! ,',',',Kraig Grady,',',', '''''''North/Western Hemisphere: North American Embassy...
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... finland music! Hi Kraig, I suggest you read my reply to Petr....
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... IIRC, western Finland was occupied by Swedes for quite some time and folk melodies from western Finland remind me of something between Swedish and Irish...
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... finland music! ... and folk melodies from western Finland remind me of something between Swedish and Irish music. As far as I could find out on the web, ...
Kalle Aho
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well this makes sense as the so called british are really the result ofa bunch of vikings who kicked their ass and a few of the real britishare in Ireland. I...
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... result ofa bunch of vikings who kicked their ass and a few of the real britishare in Ireland. I have no objection to swedish or noewegian musicthough as...
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... AFAIK, the hardanger fiddle has eight (or nine?) strings, only four of which are meant to be played. The rest are short resonating strings tuned to some...
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