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absoute-pitch realization of George's Rational Well Temperament @ a'=445Hz?

--- In tuning@yahoogroups.com, "George D. Secor" <gdsecor@...> wrote:
Hi George, Tom & all others,
> > ! Dent-YN-RWT.scl
> > !
> > Tom Dent's Young-Neidhardt well-temperament (rationalized by G.
> Secor)
> > 12
> > !
> > 560/531 ! C#
> > 2643/2360 ! D
> > 70/59 ! Eb
> > 74/59 ! E
> > 315/236 ! F
> > 1329/944 ! F#
> > 883/590 ! G
> > 280/177 ! G#
> > 890/531 ! A
> > 105/59 ! A#
> > 887/472 ! B
> > 2/1
> > >
Actually i realized that on my on piano in the absoute-pitches:
> >
starting in chromatically order from:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Middle_C
Tenor-C:
> C: 531 := 59*9
> C# 560 280 140 70 35 = 7*5
> D: 594.675 := 264.3*9/4
> Eb 630 315 = 7*5*9
> E: 666 333 = 37*9
> F: 708 354 177 = 59*3
> F# 747.625 = 1329*9/16
> G: 794.7 = 88.3*9
> G# 840 = 240*3
> A: 890 445Hz ? probably yours intend A4=445 cps ?
> Bb 945 = 105*9
> B: 997.875 = 887*9/8
>
> I didn't intend any particular absolute pitches when giving these
> ratios.
I.m.h.o. any tuning for a conrete instrument
appears to me as yet incomplete,
if the start pitch is lacking,
when intervals are given barely in relative ratios alone,
without definition of any concrete reference-tone intension,
that can be deduced from an absoute fixed standard normal-pitch:
alike:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A440
(in german:)
http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kammerton

> I expected that you would use whatever pitch reference you
> like.
Hence for your's tuning i do prefer the correspoding above:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d7/445.ogg

That beats againt the normal with
5Hz := 445Hz - 440Hz sharper
or with
300 Metronome beats = 5Hz *60 beats/min
synchrone to an
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metronome

445HZ was broadly used by my friend:
the late
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herbert_von_Karajan
critziesed by
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andr%C3%A1s_Schiff
in
http://www.schillerinstitute.org/fid_02-06/021-2schiff.html
"For example, his fight against the absurdly high "Karajan-tuning,"
which he broadened with a new battle on the sidelines of the last
Salzburg Festival. Because of his invitation, members of the Berlin
and Vienna Philaharmonics (both of which orchestras play at extremely
high pitch, even above A=445 Hz) ,as well as opera singers, and even
conductors,...."

On which conrete pitch for a'=44?Hz
do you would realize yours above temperament
on yours own personal piano?

Sincerely
A.S.







Thu Apr 24, 2008 2:45 pm

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... Secor) ... I didn't intend any particular absolute pitches when giving these ratios. I expected that you would use whatever pitch reference you like. ...
George D. Secor
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Apr 23, 2008
5:04 pm

... Hi George, Tom & all others, ... starting in chromatically order from: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Middle_C ... I.m.h.o. any tuning for a conrete...
Andreas Sparschuh
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Apr 24, 2008
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... extremely ... A=440 is my preference. (I see no reason why the frequencies of all of the pitches should be exact integers.) With most well- temperaments...
George D. Secor
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Apr 24, 2008
9:04 pm

... at the moment i do prefer from Werckmeister's septenarian comma versus the SC 81/80 = (99/98)*(441/440) divided into 3 epimoric subparts: 99/98 =...
Andreas Sparschuh
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Apr 25, 2008
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... all ... A=440; ... C' ... 294/295 ... Either I don't understand this, or something is very wrong with the numbers. The fifths D-A and A-E are tempered >23...
George D. Secor
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Apr 28, 2008
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... 11-limit septenarian comma versus the SC ... 3^4/5/16 = (11*3^2/7^2/2)*(7^2*3^2/11/5/2^3) i do call the ratio: 441/440 ...
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May 2, 2008
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... I believe there are still a few mistakes. From the sizes of the fifths you give, I think that perhaps you meant this: 558/529 ! C# 592/529 ! D ...
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... Hi George, ... in deed, even that *.scl-file contained some unfixed bug. ... Many thanks again for that repair. ... when considering more evaluated digits,...
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... Me too. It's a well-temperament only in the less strict sense that there is no harmonic waste. ... And there are fairly simple beating ratios for other...
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... Hey, Kalle, you are from Finland? I wanted to learn Finnish about two years ago but I never did it systematically or regularly so it went terribly slowly....
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... Hi Petr, yes I am, originally from western Finland from the region of Ostrobothnia, now living in Helsinki. ... eastern Finland? I don't think this...
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I am curious about the difference between eastern and western finland music! ,',',',Kraig Grady,',',', '''''''North/Western Hemisphere: North American Embassy...
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... finland music! Hi Kraig, I suggest you read my reply to Petr....
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... finland music! ... and folk melodies from western Finland remind me of something between Swedish and Irish music. As far as I could find out on the web, ...
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