--- In tuning@yahoogroups.com, "Claudio Di Veroli" <dvc@...> wrote:
>
Hi Claudio & Ham,

> Not surprising that you have issues with
such questionable
> authors like
the broadly claiming
> Lehman,
> Francis,
> Kellner and Jorgensen.

http://www.quackwatch.org/01QuackeryRelatedTopics/pseudo.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pseudoscience
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crank_(person)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crackpot_index
http://math.ucr.edu/home/baez/crackpot.html
http://www.crank.net/


> Their writings and scientific methods - or lack thereof - have been
> sharply criticised by scholarly reviewers.
http://launch.groups.yahoo.com/group/tuning/message/79178

> There have been numerous - IMHO unsuccessful -
> modern attempts to relate the
> Bach WTC squiggle and signet ring with a WIDE ASSORTMENT of
> temperaments.
http://ibo.ortgies.googlepages.com/errataandcorrigendatolindleyortgies:%22bac
"Lehman is following previous musings, especially by Andreas
Sparschuh, who published the ornamental-scroll idea on September 9th,
1999 (9/9/99) as a kind of practical joke to make fun of Kellner."

> The best scholar in the discussion is undoubtedly Ibo Ortgies.
Together with my personal friend:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_Lindley
http://www.bfg-muenchen.de/lindl_e.htm
He agrees with me, that the decorative "squiggles" are ornamental
and may serve as source of inspiration in order to invent/create new
modern temperaments, as demonstrated in my academic lectures since 1998:
http://www.math.uni-bielefeld.de/~fspm_gk/Veranstaltungen/Vortraege/Abstracts/sp\
arschuh1.html
Motivation:
"Rekonstruktion barocker Temperaturen insbesondere bei Bach"

> ....my recent Unequal Temperaments book includes
> a full coverage of the modern proposals for Bach's temperament and
> some practical conclusions for the modern musician.

What do you think about the 1960 initial attempts? of:
http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herbert_Kelletat
's
http://www.herbert.kelletat.de/Werk/Schriften_______________/Zur_musikalischen_T\
emperatur_-/zur_musikalischen_temperatur_-.html

http://groenewald-berlin.de/text/text_T026.html
http://groenewald-berlin.de/tabellen/TAB-026.html
and
http://groenewald-berlin.de/text/text_T046.html
http://groenewald-berlin.de/tabellen/TAB-046.html

and the later:
http://www.herbert.kelletat.de/Werk/Schriften_______________/Zur_musikalischen_T\
emperatur_-/zur_musikalischen_temperatur_-1.html
http://www.herbert.kelletat.de/Werk/Schriften_______________/Zur_musikalischen_T\
emperatur_-/zur_musikalischen_temperatur_-2.html
?


> After reading some papers by Bradley Lehman, Charles Francis and
> Herbert Kellner I have some issues.
> First, these authors seem to be absolutely convinced that the
> patterns on, say, Bach's WTC cover page and Bach's signet indicate
> some kind of
odd
> temperament system despite the fact there is
absolute
> no evidence for this.

> The only paper I've read that delves into Bach tuning by sticking to
> and actually citing portions of relevant historical documents is
> that by R.A. Rasch.
which depends mostly on Kelletat.

bye
A.S.