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Mark,

Csound has what are called "p-fields" in the score file, and the first 3 are
always:
1) instrument number,
2) on time in seconds, and
3) duration in seconds.

p4 and above are user-definable, so they can access any variable within your
instrument that you care to control from the score during a rendering, including
for example pitch, amplitude, panning, filter cutoff, etc...since there is no
effective limit to the number of p-fields, the sky is the limit, and this all
really depends on the design of the instrument being accessed.

I should also mention at this point that I have a frontend to CSound that I've
written in Python for microtonal composition that addresses the specific needs
of a composer frustrated by MIDI; I'll announce it on the list shortly in the
future, be on the lookout...

RE: MIDI, in spite of it's limitations, it's an understood standard, as well as
having the advantage of efficiently capturing realtime expression data,
expressivity being hard to sculpt, although not altogether impossible, in a
non-MIDI, non-realtime scenario like typing text, etc. Besides, MIDI tends to
have similar limitations to the acoustic keyboard instruments that it was
decended from, like limited keys, etc, and that never stopped clever folks from
doing microtonal music from within those limits!

Best,
Aaron


In tuning@yahoogroups.com, "Mark" <equiton@...> wrote:
>
> I was playing with csound last night.
>
> I understand a bit more now. Not quite algorythmic but I suspect note
parameters can be used in the oscillators not just to set pitch
duration/loudness info but panning placement?
>
> I know this is all off topic. But one thing I need to look up is the format of
the scala scl files.
>
> will have another go over the weekend.
>
> Mark
>
> --- In tuning@yahoogroups.com, "monz" <joemonz@> wrote:
>





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to say I haven't been reading the list for a long long while. Just wondering where everyone is at since 2002-3...? Mark...
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... Hi Mark! The list has gone through several phases over the years. Most notably absent these days are Paul Erlich and Gene Smith, who both decided to quit...
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... Very very little. My job finally caved in this year after 14 years. So presently unemployed. Got to find something to do. No progress at all with...
Mark
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... Mark, it's been strange to have the list founder absent for so long. Very sorry to hear about your job, a lot of good, talented people I know are out of...
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... Hi there - I'm not Mark Nowitsky - just for reference...! Anyhow I have been playing with Scordatura and CSE a little this evening. but it is soo complex...
Mark
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... You may be thinking of Mark Nowitzky. I think this is Mark Gould. And who are you? Incidentally, your posts were delayed because you hadn't posted before...
Carl Lumma
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Hi Mark (Gould) and Carl, Good to hear from you again, Mark. ... Gee, i'm not missed much around here, eh? (It's true that i didn't "quit", but since i became...
monz
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... In short, I hate MIDI. For all sorts of reasons. Doing everything as pitch bends sucks. really really sucks. I got so cross trying to write an orchestral...
Mark
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Jul 2, 2009
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... No self-respecting microtonalist likes MIDI, but it isn't as bad as all that. You aren't limited to pitch bends if your synth supports microtuning. Then,...
Carl Lumma
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... MIDI is not so bad, besides there's nothing better yet. It's just a tool, only the user creativity is important. Of course it needs some mental effort to...
Daniel Forro
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Jul 2, 2009
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... I use a custom script for the Kontakt sampler for microtonal music without pitch bends. Instead, I use CC messages to individually detune pitch classes...
Torsten Anders
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Dear Mark, If a piano-roll editor is fine for your purposes then have a look at the Csound editor blue (http://www.csounds.com/stevenyi/blue/). With Csound you...
Torsten Anders
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... Very nice. My only complaint is about the instruments - I haven't a lot of idea how I would set this up unless I don't have to type in all that code for...
Mark
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Open Mod Plug tracker supports microtonal tuning natively if you are open to working with samples and a tracker. http://sourceforge.net/projects/modplug/ its...
Chris Vaisvil
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... No, its is a sound synthesis language (with some support for algorithmic composition as well). If you never used something like this, think modular...
Torsten Anders
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Hi Mark, Torsten, and Carl, ... I haven't been doing much with Csound since around 2006, just before Tonescape got "grounded" as Carl says. I was using it then...
monz
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Hi Carl, ... Upon re-reading just what i wrote there, i realized that it could be taken as sarcasm. But that is not what i intended. I sincerely meant to thank...
monz
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... Indeed. I'm hoping it gets off the ground at some point. By the way, it's conceivable it could be ported to mono, which would make it compatible with both...
Carl Lumma
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Monz - this looks great - what version of cSound is required? I've not got past 3.5 - I'm still exploring. Thanks, Chris...
Chris Vaisvil
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I was playing with csound last night. I understand a bit more now. Not quite algorythmic but I suspect note parameters can be used in the oscillators not just...
Mark
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Mark, Csound has what are called "p-fields" in the score file, and the first 3 are always: 1) instrument number, 2) on time in seconds, and 3) duration in...
Aaron Krister Johnson
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Well I tried to understand CSound and I'm sorry but it's just fazing me completely. It's not what I was looking for. I'm looking for a micrototonal sequencer,...
Mark
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Jul 6, 2009
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... As I said, have a look at Blue (http://www.csounds.com/stevenyi/ blue/). It has Csound under the hood, so understanding Csound definitely helps....
Torsten Anders
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Dear Mark, Here is a simple example to give you a start for doing microtonal music with plain Csound. Attached is a file pluck.csd. It contains a very simple...
Torsten Anders
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I gave that a go. I think some of the mud is clearing. Have no idea when I get 'samples out of range' tho. Not so much as a light bulb going on but as if...
Mark
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Jul 6, 2009
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... Oh, the sum of all tones played together in a chord was a bit too high then, you can simply reduce them to avoid that error. Anyway, I just retried it --...
Torsten Anders
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I'm now devising a matlab program to output microtonal notes based on a distribution function for tones... A lot of what I've come up with sounds like bad...
Mark
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Dear Mark, If you are fine with Matlab, then you should get the hang of Csound :) There are a few books on the topic that might help you, besides those ...
Torsten Anders
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AudioCarver is also not far off from entering beta testing (I'm thinking early August at this point, but it may be later if I keep picking up composition...
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