As an owner of a Tonal Plexus, I'm interested in this but I'm afraid the learning curve of regular temperament theory and terminology is rather steep for me....
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manuphonic
Oct 2, 2011 1:00 pm
Don't overestimate my math skills. If my Laka mapping "disagrees" with yours, Graham, it's probably just that mine is wrong. :-) == MLV aka Manu Phonic...
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manuphonic
Oct 2, 2011 1:34 pm
Juhani, I totally validate your insight that the Tonal Plexus is best used with its master tuning. I'll say also that the tactile & visual cues of its layout...
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Graham Breed
x31eq
Oct 2, 2011 2:23 pm
... It isn't that simple. There's one obvious 13-limit Laka, but there are different ways of extending it to the 17-limit. To find them, note that Laka...
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Graham Breed
x31eq
Oct 2, 2011 2:25 pm
... One thing about Magic is that there are 5 generators to a fifth, so you could map it as five Pythagorean scales. That would give you the full 205 notes....
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genewardsmith
Oct 2, 2011 2:54 pm
... This beings to mind 41&205 temperament, which you may as well do in 205edo. It tempers out (in the 13 limit) 352/351, 540/539, 847/845 and 203125/201684....
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Keenan Pepper
keenan_pepper
Oct 2, 2011 3:01 pm
... I don't see how this "closely approximates every 31-limit overtone". For starters, where is overtone 3, which is supposed to be 120 steps? Is 117 (or 118,...
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genewardsmith
Oct 2, 2011 3:41 pm
... Incidentally, I should mention that another talent of 205edo is tempering out the huntma, 640/637, and having good huntmic chords: ...
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manuphonic
Oct 2, 2011 7:01 pm
... Yes, 117 & 68 were the ones I meant. ... Yet the otonal variances in this tuning to prime & odd limit 31 are comparable to or better than some in some...
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genewardsmith
Oct 2, 2011 9:38 pm
... what linear or planar temperament of 205tet with fewer than 24 notes per octave & no steps any smaller than 9\205 would you say we Plexus players can more...
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Juhani
jnylenius
Oct 2, 2011 10:08 pm
... Meaning, that on the Tonal Plexus, you play 5/4 and 13/8 of 7/4 of 7/4 on the same key? Hey, so it is! But to arrive at that I had to take both 7/4's as...
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Keenan Pepper
keenan_pepper
Oct 3, 2011 12:03 am
... In that case, this is "gorgo" temperament, tempering out 1029/1024 and 36/35. Mike Battaglia and Ron Sword are fond of its 16edo incarnation, but 21edo is...
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genewardsmith
Oct 3, 2011 2:12 am
... Absolutely. 205 gets the 5-limit almost dead on, but it's lots of fun to figure if you'd rather temper out 6144/6125, 5120/5103 and 4375/4374, like 99edo,...
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genewardsmith
Oct 3, 2011 2:17 am
... Apparently it's a little easier that way. I'm all in favor of giving the virtues of 205edo a try; it's not as if it's thouroughly explored. Why not a focus...
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genewardsmith
Oct 3, 2011 2:41 am
... Some other thoughts: 119\205, 696.585, is an excellent meantone fifth 53\205, 310.244, is an excellent myna generator...
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Mike Battaglia
battaglia01
Oct 3, 2011 3:18 am
On Sun, Oct 2, 2011 at 10:41 PM, genewardsmith ... See, this is the problem with giant EDOs - there are so many decent vals that you could use that there's...
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Juhani
jnylenius
Oct 3, 2011 8:04 am
... Great, thanks! This will keep me busy with my keyboard (&calculator) for a while. Juhani...
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manuphonic
Oct 3, 2011 10:22 am
... Gorgo it is, then. Thanks for clearing that up. ... If equal, near-equal, proportional & near-proportional beating phenomena fascinate you, as they do me,...
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genewardsmith
Oct 3, 2011 4:06 pm
... Not really true. It's only at the low complexity, high error end of the scale that you are going to be assured of finding something. When you get to more...
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Keenan Pepper
keenan_pepper
Oct 3, 2011 4:11 pm
... No way, man, I love me some beating. I play with Gamelan Sekar Jaya, the best gamelan this side of the equator.* Mike recently got me to try blackwood...
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Juhani
jnylenius
Oct 3, 2011 5:21 pm
... My experience has been very similar to yours. I'd assumed I would be using it with numerous JI mappings of my own design, as well as for 31, 53 etc. But as...
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genewardsmith
Oct 3, 2011 6:16 pm
... I've added a bunch of stuff here http://xenharmonic.wikispaces.com/205edo which might prove useful....
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Carl Lumma
clumma
Oct 3, 2011 6:34 pm
... What does that mean? Is there, in traditional Indonesian music, a culture of rivalry and boasting like in rap and b-boying? -Carl...
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Keenan Pepper
keenan_pepper
Oct 3, 2011 9:54 pm
... A mebarung is a musical battle -- the culture of gamelan in Bali loves a good competition. In most parts of Bali, two groups will face off and trade...
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Carl Lumma
clumma
Oct 4, 2011 2:04 am
... Sure sounded like it! Rap started in "battles", as did b-boying. Do women traditionally play instruments in the gamelan? I'm guessing dancing and singing...
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Keenan Pepper
keenan_pepper
Oct 4, 2011 4:24 pm
... You're correct. Unfortunately there's still some stigma about it in Bali too. There's no shortage of papers about it: ...
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Mats Öljare
oljare
Oct 4, 2011 8:47 pm
A while ago i posted some ideas on how to convert the Mandelbrot or Julia sets into sound. It didn't turn out so well, however, now i've finally discovered a...
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Wolf Peuker
wolfpeuker
Oct 5, 2011 7:44 am
Hi Mats, ... Sadly, the link is not usable (broken?). My browser could not connect to www.mediafire.com ... Best, Wolf...
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Juhani
jnylenius
Oct 5, 2011 8:09 am
The link doesn't work here, either....
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manuphonic
Oct 5, 2011 9:56 am
... Oh, I misjudged you here pretty badly, didn't I? Knowing better now really cheers me up. :-) Gorgo had some unpleasant surprises for me too when I started...
