Please note that Bernard Collard is in the process of changing his ISP.
For the time being, all e-mail should be addressed to
collard.bernard@... At some point later on this address will
change to another ISP address. It may not be soon but you will be
informed in the same way. All the best.
Bernard Collard
Dear all,
Just a reminder of the Holmfirth Sacred Harp Singing Day, which takes
place at the end of this month:
Saturday, 28 March: Holmfirth Sacred Harp Singing Day
Choppards Mission, Choppards Bank Road, off Dunford Road, Holmfirth, W
Yorks.
10.30 am 4 pm. Please bring cold dish to share.
Organisers: Cath Ingham Tel: 01484 687227 c.b.ingham@...
Chris Brown & Judy Whiting Tel: 01422 311736 / 07963 513685 / 07903 304303
cbrowo@... / judyshapes@...
Hi Sharon
Am I on your list twice as I seem to get two announcements each time.
Ruth
--- On Thu, 5/3/09, Sharon Langridge <sharon.langridge@...> wrote:
> From: Sharon Langridge <sharon.langridge@...>
> Subject: [uksacredharp] Sacred Harp singing day in West Yorkshire, 28th March
> To: uksacredharp@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Thursday, 5 March, 2009, 9:28 PM
> Dear all,
>
> Just a reminder of the Holmfirth Sacred Harp Singing Day,
> which takes
> place at the end of this month:
>
> Saturday, 28 March: Holmfirth Sacred Harp Singing Day
>
> Choppards Mission, Choppards Bank Road, off Dunford Road,
> Holmfirth, W
> Yorks.
>
> 10.30 am â 4 pm. Please bring cold dish to share.
>
> Organisers: Cath Ingham Tel: 01484 687227
> c.b.ingham@...
>
> Chris Brown & Judy Whiting Tel: 01422 311736 / 07963
> 513685 / 07903 304303
>
> cbrowo@... / judyshapes@...
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
Mother,
Its likely that you get 2 messages because you are signed up to the yahoo group
as well as the mailing list. If you look closely one of the messages will say
uk sacred harp next to sharon's email! Hope this reduces the confusion!
Looking forward to the singing!
See you soon, Much Love of course!
________________________________
From: ruth steggles <ruthsteggles@...>
To: uksacredharp@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, 5 March, 2009 22:27:01
Subject: Re: [uksacredharp] Sacred Harp singing day in West Yorkshire, 28th
March
Hi Sharon
Am I on your list twice as I seem to get two announcements each time.
Ruth
--- On Thu, 5/3/09, Sharon Langridge <sharon.langridge@ googlemail. com> wrote:
> From: Sharon Langridge <sharon.langridge@ googlemail. com>
> Subject: [uksacredharp] Sacred Harp singing day in West Yorkshire, 28th March
> To: uksacredharp@ yahoogroups. com
> Date: Thursday, 5 March, 2009, 9:28 PM
> Dear all,
>
> Just a reminder of the Holmfirth Sacred Harp Singing Day,
> which takes
> place at the end of this month:
>
> Saturday, 28 March: Holmfirth Sacred Harp Singing Day
>
> Choppards Mission, Choppards Bank Road, off Dunford Road,
> Holmfirth, W
> Yorks.
>
> 10.30 am â 4 pm. Please bring cold dish to share.
>
> Organisers: Cath Ingham Tel: 01484 687227
> c.b.ingham@btintern et.com
>
> Chris Brown & Judy Whiting Tel: 01422 311736 / 07963
> 513685 / 07903 304303
>
> cbrowo@tesco. net / judyshapes@tesco. net
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------ --------- --------- ------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
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Dear All,
I knew my working days of 9-5 monday to friday would be short lived! Management
have indicated that it would be "in our interest" to do some weekend working.
With the current climate of mega change within the trust I am reluctant to argue
too much, although my immediate manager is understanding. Anyway the result is
that I am rostered on for the saturday or sunday of the weekend of the 14th
March!
Sad to be missing the singing......:-( Hope its a success. Will be thinking of
y'all!
Hannahxxx
________________________________
From: Steve Fletcher <stevie.fletcher@...>
To: uksacredharp@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, 22 February, 2009 21:31:19
Subject: Weedon Bec 14 March 2009, was, Re: [uksacredharp] Sacred Harp Singing
at Oughtibridge today
Dear All
I echo Jacqui's words about Oughtibridge, a super day.
"Ladies with babies" will be particularly welcome at Weedon Bec, as there is not
only bags of space indoors for them, a spotless baby-changing area (for those
who want a different baby for a bit), but also a secure outdoor play area for
the slightly bigger ones.
We look forward to seeing you all there.
Love Steve
on behalf also of Martin, Mick, Penny and Emily
----- Original Message -----
From: jacquiselbymacleod
To: uksacredharp@ yahoogroups. com
Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2009 8:52 PM
Subject: [uksacredharp] Sacred Harp Singing at Oughtibridge today
Thanks to EVERYONE involved in organising today's Sacred Harp singing.
I had a most enjoyable experience and sang some numbers I didn't know,
which is always good.
It's great to be part of this loving community, too.
It was also most gratifying to see the "ladies with babies" and observe
how the little ones have grown - my goodness!
Love from Jacqui Selby-MacLeod xxx
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Oh, Hannah, we will miss you!
What shall we sing for you?
Jacqui xxx
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Sorry I cannot get either - it's a playing with railways weekend in North Wales
for David and myself.
Enjoy everyone
Ruth
--- On Sat, 7/3/09, jacqui45@... <jacqui45@...> wrote:
From: jacqui45@... <jacqui45@...>
Subject: Re: Weedon Bec 14 March 2009, was, Re: [uksacredharp] Sacred Harp
Singing at Oughtibridge today
To: uksacredharp@yahoogroups.com
Date: Saturday, 7 March, 2009, 2:27 PM
Oh, Hannah, we will miss you!
What shall we sing for you?
Jacqui xxx
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Hi Jacqui,
Would love the class to sing the better land (454) - wouldn't be a sacred harp
song without singing that!
Hannahxxx
________________________________
From: "jacqui45@..." <jacqui45@...>
To: uksacredharp@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, 7 March, 2009 14:27:54
Subject: Re: Weedon Bec 14 March 2009, was, Re: [uksacredharp] Sacred Harp
Singing at Oughtibridge today
Oh, Hannah, we will miss you!
What shall we sing for you?
Jacqui xxx
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I was puzzled at a recent e mail to event organisers from Steve Fletcher/Babylon
Lane suggesting regional mailing lists. She proposes that events are divided
into local and national and that only local people should be mailed about local
events.
I am firmly of the opinion that the best way of getting people to come to events
is to tell everyone who might be interested about them, how to get there and all
the other things they need to know. While attendance at house singings is
largely regional it is not exclusively so. Northerners have been seen as far
south as Hitchin and London and Southerners in Oldham, Pudsey and Newcastle.
Furthermore people from abroad also go to small UK sings which they have heard
about through the UK Shape Note site, the Yahoo message board and the national
mailing list, which contains some names from America, France, etc.
Regionalisation of mailing lists will only reduce the number and variety of
people attending.
It was this thinking that led the UK Convention to ask for a national mailing
list run in accordance with the Data Protection Act. That is what we have, ably
managed by Sharon Langridge. If organisers believe that there are problems with
getting publicity through this system, the solution is not to set up alternative
mailing lists. This is likely to end in duplication, confusion and potential
illegality. Rather we should discuss the perceived problems and, where
necessary, fix them.
As a community were are still small enough to be able to manage things
nationally. The Sacred Harp Community in America, which is much more numerous,
manages to do so and there seems no reason to suppose that we can't.
Regionalisation brings exclusivity, exclusion and smaller attendances rather
than the sense of community Sacred Harp tries to engender. Who knows, it might
even lead to separate regionally based social functions at the same event!
Chris Brown
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Dear All & Chris,
Hear hear!! I agree whole heartedly! I think we should have 1 single mailing
list, if we have more than 1 then we risk bombarding folks with information that
they may not want. Plus what is the merit in duplicating work??! May I suggest
that those who are emailing people about singings just do so on the yahoo group
and send any publicity to Sharon that you want her to send out. Sharon - what
are your thoughts???
Thank you Sharon & others in the past for your hard work on the mailing list it
is much appreciated.
Hannahxxx
________________________________
From: Chris Brown <cbrowo@...>
To: uksacredharp@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, 12 March, 2009 15:12:53
Subject: [uksacredharp] MAILING LISTS
I was puzzled at a recent e mail to event organisers from Steve Fletcher/Babylon
Lane suggesting regional mailing lists. She proposes that events are divided
into local and national and that only local people should be mailed about local
events.
I am firmly of the opinion that the best way of getting people to come to events
is to tell everyone who might be interested about them, how to get there and all
the other things they need to know. While attendance at house singings is
largely regional it is not exclusively so. Northerners have been seen as far
south as Hitchin and London and Southerners in Oldham, Pudsey and Newcastle.
Furthermore people from abroad also go to small UK sings which they have heard
about through the UK Shape Note site, the Yahoo message board and the national
mailing list, which contains some names from America, France, etc.
Regionalisation of mailing lists will only reduce the number and variety of
people attending.
It was this thinking that led the UK Convention to ask for a national mailing
list run in accordance with the Data Protection Act. That is what we have, ably
managed by Sharon Langridge. If organisers believe that there are problems with
getting publicity through this system, the solution is not to set up alternative
mailing lists. This is likely to end in duplication, confusion and potential
illegality. Rather we should discuss the perceived problems and, where
necessary, fix them.
As a community were are still small enough to be able to manage things
nationally. The Sacred Harp Community in America, which is much more numerous,
manages to do so and there seems no reason to suppose that we can't.
Regionalisation brings exclusivity, exclusion and smaller attendances rather
than the sense of community Sacred Harp tries to engender. Who knows, it might
even lead to separate regionally based social functions at the same event!
Chris Brown
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Dear All
I agree as well.
I am however going to mailout personally to those who have been to Choppards
in the past who may not be on Sharonıs list. I know there is some
duplication but I donıt know who is on and who isnıt so they will, Iım
afraid, be notified twice.
See you there on March 28th!
Love Cath
On 12/3/09 17:34, "Hannah Land" <hannahmaycooper@...> wrote:
>
>
>
> Dear All & Chris,
>
> Hear hear!! I agree whole heartedly! I think we should have 1 single mailing
> list, if we have more than 1 then we risk bombarding folks with information
> that they may not want. Plus what is the merit in duplicating work??! May I
> suggest that those who are emailing people about singings just do so on the
> yahoo group and send any publicity to Sharon that you want her to send out.
> Sharon - what are your thoughts???
>
> Thank you Sharon & others in the past for your hard work on the mailing list
> it is much appreciated.
>
> Hannahxxx
>
> ________________________________
> From: Chris Brown <cbrowo@... <mailto:cbrowo%40tesco.net> >
> To: uksacredharp@yahoogroups.com <mailto:uksacredharp%40yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Thursday, 12 March, 2009 15:12:53
> Subject: [uksacredharp] MAILING LISTS
>
> I was puzzled at a recent e mail to event organisers from Steve
> Fletcher/Babylon Lane suggesting regional mailing lists. She proposes that
> events are divided into local and national and that only local people should
> be mailed about local events.
>
> I am firmly of the opinion that the best way of getting people to come to
> events is to tell everyone who might be interested about them, how to get
> there and all the other things they need to know. While attendance at house
> singings is largely regional it is not exclusively so. Northerners have been
> seen as far south as Hitchin and London and Southerners in Oldham, Pudsey and
> Newcastle. Furthermore people from abroad also go to small UK sings which they
> have heard about through the UK Shape Note site, the Yahoo message board and
> the national mailing list, which contains some names from America, France,
> etc. Regionalisation of mailing lists will only reduce the number and variety
> of people attending.
>
> It was this thinking that led the UK Convention to ask for a national mailing
> list run in accordance with the Data Protection Act. That is what we have,
> ably managed by Sharon Langridge. If organisers believe that there are
> problems with getting publicity through this system, the solution is not to
> set up alternative mailing lists. This is likely to end in duplication,
> confusion and potential illegality. Rather we should discuss the perceived
> problems and, where necessary, fix them.
>
> As a community were are still small enough to be able to manage things
> nationally. The Sacred Harp Community in America, which is much more numerous,
> manages to do so and there seems no reason to suppose that we can't.
>
> Regionalisation brings exclusivity, exclusion and smaller attendances rather
> than the sense of community Sacred Harp tries to engender. Who knows, it might
> even lead to separate regionally based social functions at the same event!
>
> Chris Brown
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
>
>
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...and there, in a nutshell, is why it is impossible to completely cover every
situation with one mailing list...
"I am however going to mailout personally to those who have been to Choppards in
the past who may not be on Sharonıs list. I know there is some duplication but
I donıt know who is on and who isnıt"
There isn't an easy solution to this - and whatever the arguments for and
against, we cannot impose "ownership" on information, or any sort of centralised
control. Chris has a point about data protection, but in the end it is down to
the individual who holds the data to ensure that they are complying with the
law. There isn't any constitutional organisation governing Sacred Harp/Shape
Note events in Britain (nor should there be, in my opinion) and therefore each
organiser is entitled to do things as they see fit, provided they stay within
the law.
All Steve was doing in her email was offering to help organisers to publicise
events, especially those held in those areas in which she has been especially
"evangelical" over the past few years - in other words to help organisers
without mailing lists to publicise, and possibly reaching people who are not on
Sharon's list.
Can Steve legally share her information with others, including Sharon? Cath
says, quite honestly, that she will circulate people on her list, even though
Sharon's list might contact them too, because she doesn't know who is on which
list - that applies to Steve's list as well (and to Dave Townsend's Hands On
mailing list, for example).
Live and let live, I say, and whether we all like it or not, there will always
be a multiplicity of lists!
C'est la vie...
Mick
Jill Thompson and I are building up emailing lists of people who attend our
events in Sussex to save on postage costs and these are compiled by people
willingly adding their names to a sheet of paper at an event. As Mick
suggests can I legally share these lists with others? I guess that, under
the Data Protection Act, to do so we would have to ask everyone on them for
their permission, which would now be a considerable task. So in fact, the
Act, if adhered to strictly, may prove to be an obstacle.
I don't see what's wrong with a bit of duplication, anyway. If you've asked
to be on an emailing list does it matter if you get a flier or information
about a singing twice? In fact, it's often the second one that reminds
people that they've forgotten the first one!! There are far more unpleasant
or pointless emails arriving everyday in our inboxes.
Tony
----- Original Message -----
From: "mickverrier" <mickverrier06@...>
To: <uksacredharp@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2009 7:19 PM
Subject: [uksacredharp] Re: MAILING LISTS
...and there, in a nutshell, is why it is impossible to completely cover
every situation with one mailing list...
"I am however going to mailout personally to those who have been to
Choppards in the past who may not be on Sharonıs list. I know there is some
duplication but I donıt know who is on and who isnıt"
There isn't an easy solution to this - and whatever the arguments for and
against, we cannot impose "ownership" on information, or any sort of
centralised control. Chris has a point about data protection, but in the end
it is down to the individual who holds the data to ensure that they are
complying with the law. There isn't any constitutional organisation
governing Sacred Harp/Shape Note events in Britain (nor should there be, in
my opinion) and therefore each organiser is entitled to do things as they
see fit, provided they stay within the law.
All Steve was doing in her email was offering to help organisers to
publicise events, especially those held in those areas in which she has been
especially "evangelical" over the past few years - in other words to help
organisers without mailing lists to publicise, and possibly reaching people
who are not on Sharon's list.
Can Steve legally share her information with others, including Sharon? Cath
says, quite honestly, that she will circulate people on her list, even
though Sharon's list might contact them too, because she doesn't know who is
on which list - that applies to Steve's list as well (and to Dave Townsend's
Hands On mailing list, for example).
Live and let live, I say, and whether we all like it or not, there will
always be a multiplicity of lists!
C'est la vie...
Mick
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Hi
I receive your emails and always hope there will be one as near to me - here in
the Wilds of Fife - that I can one day attend. I'm not even a member of any
sacred harp group but if my opinion is of any use, I would agree that emails are
not restricted to localities. Who knows, I may one day get to meet some of you!
kind regards
pete
To: uksacredharp@yahoogroups.com
From: cbrowo@...
Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 15:12:53 +0000
Subject: [uksacredharp] MAILING LISTS
I was puzzled at a recent e mail to event organisers from Steve
Fletcher/Babylon Lane suggesting regional mailing lists. She proposes that
events are divided into local and national and that only local people should be
mailed about local events.
I am firmly of the opinion that the best way of getting people to come to events
is to tell everyone who might be interested about them, how to get there and all
the other things they need to know. While attendance at house singings is
largely regional it is not exclusively so. Northerners have been seen as far
south as Hitchin and London and Southerners in Oldham, Pudsey and Newcastle.
Furthermore people from abroad also go to small UK sings which they have heard
about through the UK Shape Note site, the Yahoo message board and the national
mailing list, which contains some names from America, France, etc.
Regionalisation of mailing lists will only reduce the number and variety of
people attending.
It was this thinking that led the UK Convention to ask for a national mailing
list run in accordance with the Data Protection Act. That is what we have, ably
managed by Sharon Langridge. If organisers believe that there are problems with
getting publicity through this system, the solution is not to set up alternative
mailing lists. This is likely to end in duplication, confusion and potential
illegality. Rather we should discuss the perceived problems and, where
necessary, fix them.
As a community were are still small enough to be able to manage things
nationally. The Sacred Harp Community in America, which is much more numerous,
manages to do so and there seems no reason to suppose that we can't.
Regionalisation brings exclusivity, exclusion and smaller attendances rather
than the sense of community Sacred Harp tries to engender. Who knows, it might
even lead to separate regionally based social functions at the same event!
Chris Brown
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Hi
I am in New Zealand now and although I can't go to any of the meets, it is
great getting the notifications, thinking of my friends. Every time I get
notification of an event it re motivates me to go and find someone to sing
with here in Wellington.
Love to you all.
Kind regards
Jill
Jill Griggs
+64 (0) 21 56 56 81
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From: uksacredharp@yahoogroups.com [mailto:uksacredharp@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of pete cunningham
Sent: 13 March 2009 10:11
To: uksacredharp@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [uksacredharp] MAILING LISTS
Hi
I receive your emails and always hope there will be one as near to me - here
in the Wilds of Fife - that I can one day attend. I'm not even a member of
any sacred harp group but if my opinion is of any use, I would agree that
emails are not restricted to localities. Who knows, I may one day get to
meet some of you!
kind regards
pete
To: uksacredharp@ <mailto:uksacredharp%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com
From: cbrowo@tesco. <mailto:cbrowo%40tesco.net> net
Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 15:12:53 +0000
Subject: [uksacredharp] MAILING LISTS
I was puzzled at a recent e mail to event organisers from Steve
Fletcher/Babylon Lane suggesting regional mailing lists. She proposes that
events are divided into local and national and that only local people should
be mailed about local events.
I am firmly of the opinion that the best way of getting people to come to
events is to tell everyone who might be interested about them, how to get
there and all the other things they need to know. While attendance at house
singings is largely regional it is not exclusively so. Northerners have been
seen as far south as Hitchin and London and Southerners in Oldham, Pudsey
and Newcastle. Furthermore people from abroad also go to small UK sings
which they have heard about through the UK Shape Note site, the Yahoo
message board and the national mailing list, which contains some names from
America, France, etc. Regionalisation of mailing lists will only reduce the
number and variety of people attending.
It was this thinking that led the UK Convention to ask for a national
mailing list run in accordance with the Data Protection Act. That is what we
have, ably managed by Sharon Langridge. If organisers believe that there are
problems with getting publicity through this system, the solution is not to
set up alternative mailing lists. This is likely to end in duplication,
confusion and potential illegality. Rather we should discuss the perceived
problems and, where necessary, fix them.
As a community were are still small enough to be able to manage things
nationally. The Sacred Harp Community in America, which is much more
numerous, manages to do so and there seems no reason to suppose that we
can't.
Regionalisation brings exclusivity, exclusion and smaller attendances rather
than the sense of community Sacred Harp tries to engender. Who knows, it
might even lead to separate regionally based social functions at the same
event!
Chris Brown
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Hi Jill,
Say hello to Wellington - my sister in law lives there - oh and send some sun!
pete:)
To: uksacredharp@yahoogroups.com
From: jag@...
Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2009 10:19:37 +1300
Subject: RE: [uksacredharp] MAILING LISTS
Hi
I am in New Zealand now and although I can't go to any of the meets, it is
great getting the notifications, thinking of my friends. Every time I get
notification of an event it re motivates me to go and find someone to sing
with here in Wellington.
Love to you all.
Kind regards
Jill
Jill Griggs
+64 (0) 21 56 56 81
_____
From: uksacredharp@yahoogroups.com [mailto:uksacredharp@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of pete cunningham
Sent: 13 March 2009 10:11
To: uksacredharp@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [uksacredharp] MAILING LISTS
Hi
I receive your emails and always hope there will be one as near to me - here
in the Wilds of Fife - that I can one day attend. I'm not even a member of
any sacred harp group but if my opinion is of any use, I would agree that
emails are not restricted to localities. Who knows, I may one day get to
meet some of you!
kind regards
pete
To: uksacredharp@ <mailto:uksacredharp%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com
From: cbrowo@tesco. <mailto:cbrowo%40tesco.net> net
Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 15:12:53 +0000
Subject: [uksacredharp] MAILING LISTS
I was puzzled at a recent e mail to event organisers from Steve
Fletcher/Babylon Lane suggesting regional mailing lists. She proposes that
events are divided into local and national and that only local people should
be mailed about local events.
I am firmly of the opinion that the best way of getting people to come to
events is to tell everyone who might be interested about them, how to get
there and all the other things they need to know. While attendance at house
singings is largely regional it is not exclusively so. Northerners have been
seen as far south as Hitchin and London and Southerners in Oldham, Pudsey
and Newcastle. Furthermore people from abroad also go to small UK sings
which they have heard about through the UK Shape Note site, the Yahoo
message board and the national mailing list, which contains some names from
America, France, etc. Regionalisation of mailing lists will only reduce the
number and variety of people attending.
It was this thinking that led the UK Convention to ask for a national
mailing list run in accordance with the Data Protection Act. That is what we
have, ably managed by Sharon Langridge. If organisers believe that there are
problems with getting publicity through this system, the solution is not to
set up alternative mailing lists. This is likely to end in duplication,
confusion and potential illegality. Rather we should discuss the perceived
problems and, where necessary, fix them.
As a community were are still small enough to be able to manage things
nationally. The Sacred Harp Community in America, which is much more
numerous, manages to do so and there seems no reason to suppose that we
can't.
Regionalisation brings exclusivity, exclusion and smaller attendances rather
than the sense of community Sacred Harp tries to engender. Who knows, it
might even lead to separate regionally based social functions at the same
event!
Chris Brown
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Pete, please put 30 May in your diary right now and come to the Newcastle
sing. We can arrange accommodation for you if you want /need to stay over,
but Newcastle is only a couple of hours' drive or train from Edinburgh, and
depending where in Fife you are, it must be a possible journey. We'll be
delighted to see you if you can make it then.
That goes for anyone else as well, of course.
Benny Ross, Newcastle upon Tyne
On Thu, Mar 12, 2009 at 9:11 PM, pete cunningham <
jenniferpinkdesigns@...> wrote:
>
> Hi
>
> I receive your emails and always hope there will be one as near to me -
> here in the Wilds of Fife - that I can one day attend. I'm not even a member
> of any sacred harp group but if my opinion is of any use, I would agree that
> emails are not restricted to localities. Who knows, I may one day get to
> meet some of you!
>
> kind regards
> pete
>
> To: uksacredharp@yahoogroups.com <uksacredharp%40yahoogroups.com>
> From: cbrowo@... <cbrowo%40tesco.net>
> Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 15:12:53 +0000
> Subject: [uksacredharp] MAILING LISTS
>
>
> I was puzzled at a recent e mail to event organisers from Steve
> Fletcher/Babylon Lane suggesting regional mailing lists. She proposes that
> events are divided into local and national and that only local people should
> be mailed about local events.
>
> I am firmly of the opinion that the best way of getting people to come to
> events is to tell everyone who might be interested about them, how to get
> there and all the other things they need to know. While attendance at house
> singings is largely regional it is not exclusively so. Northerners have been
> seen as far south as Hitchin and London and Southerners in Oldham, Pudsey
> and Newcastle. Furthermore people from abroad also go to small UK sings
> which they have heard about through the UK Shape Note site, the Yahoo
> message board and the national mailing list, which contains some names from
> America, France, etc. Regionalisation of mailing lists will only reduce the
> number and variety of people attending.
>
> It was this thinking that led the UK Convention to ask for a national
> mailing list run in accordance with the Data Protection Act. That is what we
> have, ably managed by Sharon Langridge. If organisers believe that there are
> problems with getting publicity through this system, the solution is not to
> set up alternative mailing lists. This is likely to end in duplication,
> confusion and potential illegality. Rather we should discuss the perceived
> problems and, where necessary, fix them.
>
> As a community were are still small enough to be able to manage things
> nationally. The Sacred Harp Community in America, which is much more
> numerous, manages to do so and there seems no reason to suppose that we
> can't.
>
> Regionalisation brings exclusivity, exclusion and smaller attendances
> rather than the sense of community Sacred Harp tries to engender. Who knows,
> it might even lead to separate regionally based social functions at the same
> event!
>
> Chris Brown
>
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>
>
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>
>
>
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Hi Benny
I will! I have an aunt who lives in Newcastle - and may be able to stay with
her. I will ask some of my choir friends if they can come too - would that be
ok?
cheered me up no end!
regards
Pete
To: uksacredharp@yahoogroups.com
From: benny.ross@...
Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 22:49:19 +0000
Subject: Re: [uksacredharp] MAILING LISTS
Pete, please put 30 May in your diary right now and come to the Newcastle
sing. We can arrange accommodation for you if you want /need to stay over,
but Newcastle is only a couple of hours' drive or train from Edinburgh, and
depending where in Fife you are, it must be a possible journey. We'll be
delighted to see you if you can make it then.
That goes for anyone else as well, of course.
Benny Ross, Newcastle upon Tyne
On Thu, Mar 12, 2009 at 9:11 PM, pete cunningham <
jenniferpinkdesigns@...> wrote:
>
> Hi
>
> I receive your emails and always hope there will be one as near to me -
> here in the Wilds of Fife - that I can one day attend. I'm not even a member
> of any sacred harp group but if my opinion is of any use, I would agree that
> emails are not restricted to localities. Who knows, I may one day get to
> meet some of you!
>
> kind regards
> pete
>
> To: uksacredharp@yahoogroups.com <uksacredharp%40yahoogroups.com>
> From: cbrowo@... <cbrowo%40tesco.net>
> Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 15:12:53 +0000
> Subject: [uksacredharp] MAILING LISTS
>
>
> I was puzzled at a recent e mail to event organisers from Steve
> Fletcher/Babylon Lane suggesting regional mailing lists. She proposes that
> events are divided into local and national and that only local people should
> be mailed about local events.
>
> I am firmly of the opinion that the best way of getting people to come to
> events is to tell everyone who might be interested about them, how to get
> there and all the other things they need to know. While attendance at house
> singings is largely regional it is not exclusively so. Northerners have been
> seen as far south as Hitchin and London and Southerners in Oldham, Pudsey
> and Newcastle. Furthermore people from abroad also go to small UK sings
> which they have heard about through the UK Shape Note site, the Yahoo
> message board and the national mailing list, which contains some names from
> America, France, etc. Regionalisation of mailing lists will only reduce the
> number and variety of people attending.
>
> It was this thinking that led the UK Convention to ask for a national
> mailing list run in accordance with the Data Protection Act. That is what we
> have, ably managed by Sharon Langridge. If organisers believe that there are
> problems with getting publicity through this system, the solution is not to
> set up alternative mailing lists. This is likely to end in duplication,
> confusion and potential illegality. Rather we should discuss the perceived
> problems and, where necessary, fix them.
>
> As a community were are still small enough to be able to manage things
> nationally. The Sacred Harp Community in America, which is much more
> numerous, manages to do so and there seems no reason to suppose that we
> can't.
>
> Regionalisation brings exclusivity, exclusion and smaller attendances
> rather than the sense of community Sacred Harp tries to engender. Who knows,
> it might even lead to separate regionally based social functions at the same
> event!
>
> Chris Brown
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Hi Tony
Please make sure I get on to your list as I live in Sussex. Thanks.
Rosemary Cartwright
-----Original Message-----
From: uksacredharp@yahoogroups.com [mailto:uksacredharp@yahoogroups.com]
On Behalf Of Tony Singleton
Sent: 12 March 2009 20:51
To: uksacredharp@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [uksacredharp] Re: MAILING LISTS
Jill Thompson and I are building up emailing lists of people who attend
our
events in Sussex to save on postage costs and these are compiled by
people
willingly adding their names to a sheet of paper at an event. As Mick
suggests can I legally share these lists with others? I guess that,
under
the Data Protection Act, to do so we would have to ask everyone on them
for
their permission, which would now be a considerable task. So in fact,
the
Act, if adhered to strictly, may prove to be an obstacle.
I don't see what's wrong with a bit of duplication, anyway. If you've
asked
to be on an emailing list does it matter if you get a flier or
information
about a singing twice? In fact, it's often the second one that reminds
people that they've forgotten the first one!! There are far more
unpleasant
or pointless emails arriving everyday in our inboxes.
Tony
----- Original Message -----
From: "mickverrier" <HYPERLINK
"mailto:mickverrier06%40aol.com"mickverrier06@-aol.com>
To: <HYPERLINK
"mailto:uksacredharp%40yahoogroups.com"uksacredharp@-yahoogroups.-com>
Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2009 7:19 PM
Subject: [uksacredharp] Re: MAILING LISTS
...and there, in a nutshell, is why it is impossible to completely cover
every situation with one mailing list...
"I am however going to mailout personally to those who have been to
Choppards in the past who may not be on Sharonıs list. I know there is
some
duplication but I donıt know who is on and who isnıt"
There isn't an easy solution to this - and whatever the arguments for
and
against, we cannot impose "ownership" on information, or any sort of
centralised control. Chris has a point about data protection, but in the
end
it is down to the individual who holds the data to ensure that they are
complying with the law. There isn't any constitutional organisation
governing Sacred Harp/Shape Note events in Britain (nor should there be,
in
my opinion) and therefore each organiser is entitled to do things as
they
see fit, provided they stay within the law.
All Steve was doing in her email was offering to help organisers to
publicise events, especially those held in those areas in which she has
been
especially "evangelical" over the past few years - in other words to
help
organisers without mailing lists to publicise, and possibly reaching
people
who are not on Sharon's list.
Can Steve legally share her information with others, including Sharon?
Cath
says, quite honestly, that she will circulate people on her list, even
though Sharon's list might contact them too, because she doesn't know
who is
on which list - that applies to Steve's list as well (and to Dave
Townsend's
Hands On mailing list, for example).
Live and let live, I say, and whether we all like it or not, there will
always be a multiplicity of lists!
C'est la vie...
Mick
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Dear all,
My intention is to continue publicising, nationally, all events that I'm asked
to publicise nationally. I do also have a list of people only interested in
events in Yorkshire - I'll continue to maintain this, too.
If you wish to add people who attend your events to the national mailing list,
please include wording on your sign-up sheets to the effect that people's names
and email addresses will be passed to those responsible for maintaining a
national mailing list on behalf of the UK Sacred Harp Convention - this gives
you permission to pass their details on to me.
One of the things I love about being a Sacred Harp singer is that I'm a member
of the Sacred Harp *community*.
I don't like my community bickering around me.
Hope to sing with you all again soon.
Love,
Sharon
--- In uksacredharp@yahoogroups.com, "Chris Brown" <cbrowo@...> wrote:
>
> I was puzzled at a recent e mail to event organisers from Steve
Fletcher/Babylon Lane suggesting regional mailing lists. She proposes that
events are divided into local and national and that only local people should be
mailed about local events.
>
>
>
> I am firmly of the opinion that the best way of getting people to come to
events is to tell everyone who might be interested about them, how to get there
and all the other things they need to know. While attendance at house singings
is largely regional it is not exclusively so. Northerners have been seen as far
south as Hitchin and London and Southerners in Oldham, Pudsey and Newcastle.
Furthermore people from abroad also go to small UK sings which they have heard
about through the UK Shape Note site, the Yahoo message board and the national
mailing list, which contains some names from America, France, etc.
Regionalisation of mailing lists will only reduce the number and variety of
people attending.
>
>
>
> It was this thinking that led the UK Convention to ask for a national mailing
list run in accordance with the Data Protection Act. That is what we have, ably
managed by Sharon Langridge. If organisers believe that there are problems with
getting publicity through this system, the solution is not to set up alternative
mailing lists. This is likely to end in duplication, confusion and potential
illegality. Rather we should discuss the perceived problems and, where
necessary, fix them.
>
>
>
> As a community were are still small enough to be able to manage things
nationally. The Sacred Harp Community in America, which is much more numerous,
manages to do so and there seems no reason to suppose that we can't.
>
>
>
> Regionalisation brings exclusivity, exclusion and smaller attendances rather
than the sense of community Sacred Harp tries to engender. Who knows, it might
even lead to separate regionally based social functions at the same event!
>
>
>
> Chris Brown
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
Pete, Choir friends are very welcome, but please do warn them not to expect
it to be anything like a choir. If they are used to rehearsing everything
carefully, they will either find it scarily chaotic or exhilaratingly
direct. Or both.
Benny
On Fri, Mar 13, 2009 at 9:20 AM, pete cunningham <
jenniferpinkdesigns@...> wrote:
>
> Hi Benny
>
> I will! I have an aunt who lives in Newcastle - and may be able to stay
> with her. I will ask some of my choir friends if they can come too - would
> that be ok?
>
> cheered me up no end!
>
>
> regards
>
> Pete
>
>
> To: uksacredharp@yahoogroups.com <uksacredharp%40yahoogroups.com>
> From: benny.ross@... <benny.ross%40gmail.com>
> Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 22:49:19 +0000
> Subject: Re: [uksacredharp] MAILING LISTS
>
> Pete, please put 30 May in your diary right now and come to the Newcastle
> sing. We can arrange accommodation for you if you want /need to stay over,
> but Newcastle is only a couple of hours' drive or train from Edinburgh, and
> depending where in Fife you are, it must be a possible journey. We'll be
> delighted to see you if you can make it then.
> That goes for anyone else as well, of course.
> Benny Ross, Newcastle upon Tyne
>
> On Thu, Mar 12, 2009 at 9:11 PM, pete cunningham <
> jenniferpinkdesigns@... <jenniferpinkdesigns%40hotmail.com>>
> wrote:
>
> >
> > Hi
> >
> > I receive your emails and always hope there will be one as near to me -
> > here in the Wilds of Fife - that I can one day attend. I'm not even a
> member
> > of any sacred harp group but if my opinion is of any use, I would agree
> that
> > emails are not restricted to localities. Who knows, I may one day get to
> > meet some of you!
> >
> > kind regards
> > pete
> >
> > To: uksacredharp@yahoogroups.com
<uksacredharp%40yahoogroups.com><uksacredharp%
> 40yahoogroups.com>
> > From: cbrowo@... <cbrowo%40tesco.net> <cbrowo%40tesco.net>
>
> > Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 15:12:53 +0000
> > Subject: [uksacredharp] MAILING LISTS
> >
> >
> > I was puzzled at a recent e mail to event organisers from Steve
> > Fletcher/Babylon Lane suggesting regional mailing lists. She proposes
> that
> > events are divided into local and national and that only local people
> should
> > be mailed about local events.
> >
> > I am firmly of the opinion that the best way of getting people to come to
> > events is to tell everyone who might be interested about them, how to get
> > there and all the other things they need to know. While attendance at
> house
> > singings is largely regional it is not exclusively so. Northerners have
> been
> > seen as far south as Hitchin and London and Southerners in Oldham, Pudsey
> > and Newcastle. Furthermore people from abroad also go to small UK sings
> > which they have heard about through the UK Shape Note site, the Yahoo
> > message board and the national mailing list, which contains some names
> from
> > America, France, etc. Regionalisation of mailing lists will only reduce
> the
> > number and variety of people attending.
> >
> > It was this thinking that led the UK Convention to ask for a national
> > mailing list run in accordance with the Data Protection Act. That is what
> we
> > have, ably managed by Sharon Langridge. If organisers believe that there
> are
> > problems with getting publicity through this system, the solution is not
> to
> > set up alternative mailing lists. This is likely to end in duplication,
> > confusion and potential illegality. Rather we should discuss the
> perceived
> > problems and, where necessary, fix them.
> >
> > As a community were are still small enough to be able to manage things
> > nationally. The Sacred Harp Community in America, which is much more
> > numerous, manages to do so and there seems no reason to suppose that we
> > can't.
> >
> > Regionalisation brings exclusivity, exclusion and smaller attendances
> > rather than the sense of community Sacred Harp tries to engender. Who
> knows,
> > it might even lead to separate regionally based social functions at the
> same
> > event!
> >
> > Chris Brown
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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Dear All
If Chris Brown had contacted me privately to discuss this issue, I would have
debated it with him privately, but as his comments were posted to the List -
most of whom would not have seen my original message (repeated below for your
information) - then I will reply here too.
At no point have I suggested that events are "divided" into local and national.
At no point have I said that "only local people should be mailed about local
events". My mailing list has grown to a size where the LIST has to be subdivided
in order not to be perceived as spamming, and a convenient way to do this is by
geographical region. This then leads logically to targeting information by area,
more or less widely according to the organiser's wishes and expectations.
I fully recognise that some people travel long distances to attend every singing
they can. I have been known to do this myself. These keen singers are plugged in
to the information sources - flyers and announcements at events, regularly
checking ukshapenote.org.uk, and are probably the people who make up the 114
members of the uksacredharp list. But I also recognise that there are people who
normally only go to the events in their immediate locality, who don't easily
pick up on information about other events. By receiving direct mailings, they
may be encouraged to go a little further afield and enjoy more singing. By
e-mailing directly to over 200 people, and more through Sharon's good offices to
the northern areas, more people, not fewer, get to know what's going on.
I see no conflict in using these different approaches, to reach different
audiences. Since Sharon took over the national mailing list, she and I have been
discussing how we can co-operate to keep the lists updated and in sync with each
other.
The discussion which followed on the list I think proved the point. Cath Ingham
intends to continue to mail to her own local list; discussion between Pete and
Benny has made a new contact between Scotland and Newcastle. By organising lists
geographically we can support new organisers in identifying potential singers in
their area. All of these seem to me to be valuable contributions to the
continued health and growth of our singing community.
Steve Fletcher
Hitchin, Herts
Shapers and Babylon Lane
Here is the text of my original message, which was sent directly to 20 event
organisers on Wednesday evening:
Dear Shape-Note Event Organiser
We all recognise that direct contact with potential singers is one of the key
ways of encouraging people to attend your event. I am now in a position to
directly contact by e-mail several hundred actual and potential shape-note
singers, with details of your events.
As you would expect, the greatest strength of my mailing list is concentrated
south of a line between the Humber and the headwaters of the Severn, covering
east and west Midlands, the south west, south east, London and East Anglia.
Sharon Langridge may be better able to help with mailings to people in the
northern counties and Scotland, but my lists are expanding in those areas. Do
please send me contact details for new singers - name, email and town / county.
My Plan is twofold. For an event which you would consider "local" (eg the
Shapers days which I run), I would send to people in your immediate region, plus
all those regions which abut yours. For an event which you designate "national"
(eg the Stour Estuary weekend) I would send to all the names on my list, in
co-operation with Sharon.
Simply send me your text or a flyer, and I will send it on to people in the
relevant regions, within a few days. (It is better to send the text of flyers in
the body of the e-mail, as attachments can be problematic for some people.) I
suggest that about a month before the event is about right, but will respond to
your request whenever you wish.
And do continue to send information to Sheila Macadam for the Calendar on
www.ukshapenote.org.uk as soon as you have an event arranged.
I look forward to assisting you with publicity for your event.
With best wishes
Steve
Steve Fletcher
Hitchin, Herts
Shapers and Babylon Lane
----- Original Message -----
From: Chris Brown
To: uksacredharp@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2009 3:12 PM
Subject: [uksacredharp] MAILING LISTS
I was puzzled at a recent e mail to event organisers from Steve
Fletcher/Babylon Lane suggesting regional mailing lists. She proposes that
events are divided into local and national and that only local people should be
mailed about local events.
I am firmly of the opinion that the best way of getting people to come to
events is to tell everyone who might be interested about them, how to get there
and all the other things they need to know. While attendance at house singings
is largely regional it is not exclusively so. Northerners have been seen as far
south as Hitchin and London and Southerners in Oldham, Pudsey and Newcastle.
Furthermore people from abroad also go to small UK sings which they have heard
about through the UK Shape Note site, the Yahoo message board and the national
mailing list, which contains some names from America, France, etc.
Regionalisation of mailing lists will only reduce the number and variety of
people attending.
It was this thinking that led the UK Convention to ask for a national mailing
list run in accordance with the Data Protection Act. That is what we have, ably
managed by Sharon Langridge. If organisers believe that there are problems with
getting publicity through this system, the solution is not to set up alternative
mailing lists. This is likely to end in duplication, confusion and potential
illegality. Rather we should discuss the perceived problems and, where
necessary, fix them.
As a community were are still small enough to be able to manage things
nationally. The Sacred Harp Community in America, which is much more numerous,
manages to do so and there seems no reason to suppose that we can't.
Regionalisation brings exclusivity, exclusion and smaller attendances rather
than the sense of community Sacred Harp tries to engender. Who knows, it might
even lead to separate regionally based social functions at the same event!
Chris Brown
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Hi Benny
we are used to all sorts of music - including sacred harp - so should be fun!
regards
Pete
To: uksacredharp@yahoogroups.com
From: benny.ross@...
Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2009 22:17:00 +0000
Subject: Re: [uksacredharp] MAILING LISTS
Pete, Choir friends are very welcome, but please do warn them not to
expect
it to be anything like a choir. If they are used to rehearsing everything
carefully, they will either find it scarily chaotic or exhilaratingly
direct. Or both.
Benny
On Fri, Mar 13, 2009 at 9:20 AM, pete cunningham <
jenniferpinkdesigns@...> wrote:
>
> Hi Benny
>
> I will! I have an aunt who lives in Newcastle - and may be able to stay
> with her. I will ask some of my choir friends if they can come too - would
> that be ok?
>
> cheered me up no end!
>
>
> regards
>
> Pete
>
>
> To: uksacredharp@yahoogroups.com <uksacredharp%40yahoogroups.com>
> From: benny.ross@... <benny.ross%40gmail.com>
> Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 22:49:19 +0000
> Subject: Re: [uksacredharp] MAILING LISTS
>
> Pete, please put 30 May in your diary right now and come to the Newcastle
> sing. We can arrange accommodation for you if you want /need to stay over,
> but Newcastle is only a couple of hours' drive or train from Edinburgh, and
> depending where in Fife you are, it must be a possible journey. We'll be
> delighted to see you if you can make it then.
> That goes for anyone else as well, of course.
> Benny Ross, Newcastle upon Tyne
>
> On Thu, Mar 12, 2009 at 9:11 PM, pete cunningham <
> jenniferpinkdesigns@... <jenniferpinkdesigns%40hotmail.com>>
> wrote:
>
> >
> > Hi
> >
> > I receive your emails and always hope there will be one as near to me -
> > here in the Wilds of Fife - that I can one day attend. I'm not even a
> member
> > of any sacred harp group but if my opinion is of any use, I would agree
> that
> > emails are not restricted to localities. Who knows, I may one day get to
> > meet some of you!
> >
> > kind regards
> > pete
> >
> > To: uksacredharp@yahoogroups.com
<uksacredharp%40yahoogroups.com><uksacredharp%
> 40yahoogroups.com>
> > From: cbrowo@... <cbrowo%40tesco.net> <cbrowo%40tesco.net>
>
> > Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 15:12:53 +0000
> > Subject: [uksacredharp] MAILING LISTS
> >
> >
> > I was puzzled at a recent e mail to event organisers from Steve
> > Fletcher/Babylon Lane suggesting regional mailing lists. She proposes
> that
> > events are divided into local and national and that only local people
> should
> > be mailed about local events.
> >
> > I am firmly of the opinion that the best way of getting people to come to
> > events is to tell everyone who might be interested about them, how to get
> > there and all the other things they need to know. While attendance at
> house
> > singings is largely regional it is not exclusively so. Northerners have
> been
> > seen as far south as Hitchin and London and Southerners in Oldham, Pudsey
> > and Newcastle. Furthermore people from abroad also go to small UK sings
> > which they have heard about through the UK Shape Note site, the Yahoo
> > message board and the national mailing list, which contains some names
> from
> > America, France, etc. Regionalisation of mailing lists will only reduce
> the
> > number and variety of people attending.
> >
> > It was this thinking that led the UK Convention to ask for a national
> > mailing list run in accordance with the Data Protection Act. That is what
> we
> > have, ably managed by Sharon Langridge. If organisers believe that there
> are
> > problems with getting publicity through this system, the solution is not
> to
> > set up alternative mailing lists. This is likely to end in duplication,
> > confusion and potential illegality. Rather we should discuss the
> perceived
> > problems and, where necessary, fix them.
> >
> > As a community were are still small enough to be able to manage things
> > nationally. The Sacred Harp Community in America, which is much more
> > numerous, manages to do so and there seems no reason to suppose that we
> > can't.
> >
> > Regionalisation brings exclusivity, exclusion and smaller attendances
> > rather than the sense of community Sacred Harp tries to engender. Who
> knows,
> > it might even lead to separate regionally based social functions at the
> same
> > event!
> >
> > Chris Brown
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A big thank-you to ALL who made today such a success. I had a wonderful time.
I must say that I found this a very convenient location with excellent
facilities and look forward to hearing a larger number of singers next time.
Jacqui Selby-MacLeod
----- Original Message -----
From: <Harry_Campbell>; "Muldoon's Picnic" <harry@...>
Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2009 2:12 AM
Subject: Muldoon's Picnic newsletter March09
Greetings Muldoon friends
And welcome to all those who signed up to our mailing list at Celtic
Connections, Kilmarnock, Perth or wherever and have been waiting patiently
for a message. A little housekeeping point, by the way: if you change your
email address please try and remember to let us know, as it's a shame to
lose contact when old addresses start to bounce.
We're long overdue another shapenote workshop in Glasgow. The next one will
be on the afternoon of Saturday 28 March, from 1.30 to 4.30pm at the usual
venue, Hillhead Baptist Church, Cresswell St, Glasgow G12 8AE. Bring your
diaries along, as there are exciting plans in hand for the summer: in
Glasgow as part of the West End Festival, and perhaps elsewhere too, we will
be participating in an unusual evening featuring shapenote music and modern
compositions inspired by it, highlighting William Duckworth's
"post-minimalist" take on the Southern Harmony, rarely performed before in
the UK. This will involve the help of, we hope, some regulars from the
Glasgow shapenote workshops, or indeed anyone who fancies singing some
shapenote songs at the concert, so stay in touch if you might be interested
in that. If you're coming on 28 March, it would be very helpful to let us
know so we have an idea of numbers - I realise it's rather short notice.
Looking a little further ahead, likely dates for future workshops include 18
April, 25 April, 9 May, 16 May and 6 June, so shapenote fans if you have any
strong feelings about these let us know.
Our 2008 album "Gingham Down" gets a comprehensive and generous review from
David Kidson at Netrhythms.com, who describes it as "a typically ambitious,
open-minded selection of ingeniously arranged pieces from many different
folk traditions" and concludes that "there's a sure-footed and healthily
alfresco feel to this idiosyncratic musical picnic that's very winning".
It's available for £10+£1p&p directly from us by mail order (please email
for details). You can also get it from CDbaby.com (either as downloadable
tracks, with one free download, or by post from Portland, Oregon), or in the
time-honoured way over the counter from Glasgow's fine CD emporium Classics
in the City (54 Dundas St, G1 2AQ), where it is currently to be seen in the
front window. We're not aware that it's in any other shops yet, but if you
want supplies to sell on your CD stall, at your festival or whatever, please
get in touch.
* http://netrhythms.com/reviewsm.html#muldoon
* http://www.muldoonspicnic.org.uk/gingham.htm
* http://www.last.fm/music/Muldoon%27s+Picnic/Gingham+Down
* http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/muldoonspicnic
* http://www.classicsinthecity.co.uk/
That's all for now.
Best wishes,
Harry Campbell
Muldoon's Picnic
harry@...
www.muldoonspicnic.org.uk
www.myspace.com/muldoonspicnic
Following the success of last year's event, I am holding another sing at
Haddenham, (near Ely, Cambs - not the one in Bucks!), on Saturday 18 April.
It will take place in the Arkenstall Centre, which is the village hall,
starting with tea/coffee and biscuits at 10.00am. There will be a
singing school led by Cath Tyler, and we will sing through till 4.30pm
(or whenever people get too tired to sing). We ask that everyone brings
a plate of food to share at lunchtime.
Please email me if you want directions or further details. Incidentally,
the postcode on the ukshapenote website is wrong at the moment - it
should be CB6 3XD.
All the best
Ruthie
Thanks, Ruth.
I hope to be there.
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Hi all - please make the effort to get to Haddenham - its a good venue with
a lovely "feel" - unfortunately I can't be there myself this year as I have to
attend a (two-day) GCSE Music standardisation meeting at the University of
Warwick.
Have a good sing!
Mick
In a message dated 17/03/2009 06:36:14 GMT Standard Time,
ruth@... writes:
Following the success of last year's event, I am holding another sing at
Haddenham, (near Ely, Cambs - not the one in Bucks!), on Saturday 18 April.
It will take place in the Arkenstall Centre, which is the village hall,
starting with tea/coffee and biscuits at 10.00am. There will be a
singing school led by Cath Tyler, and we will sing through till 4.30pm
(or whenever people get too tired to sing). We ask that everyone brings
a plate of food to share at lunchtime.
Please email me if you want directions or further details. Incidentally,
the postcode on the ukshapenote website is wrong at the moment - it
should be CB6 3XD.
All the best
Ruthie
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Thanks for the plug, Mick. Say hi to Warwick university from me - I
spent 3 fantastic years of my life there! Sorry you can't be with us
this year, but I hope the standardisation meeting goes well (yes, I do
know what that is...but that's another story!)
Cheers
Ruthie
mickverrier06@... wrote:
>
> Hi all - please make the effort to get to Haddenham - its a good venue with
> a lovely "feel" - unfortunately I can't be there myself this year as I have to
> attend a (two-day) GCSE Music standardisation meeting at the University of
> Warwick.
>
> Have a good sing!
>
> Mick
>
> In a message dated 17/03/2009 06:36:14 GMT Standard Time,
> ruth@... writes:
>
> Following the success of last year's event, I am holding another sing at
> Haddenham, (near Ely, Cambs - not the one in Bucks!), on Saturday 18 April.
>
> It will take place in the Arkenstall Centre, which is the village hall,
> starting with tea/coffee and biscuits at 10.00am. There will be a
> singing school led by Cath Tyler, and we will sing through till 4.30pm
> (or whenever people get too tired to sing). We ask that everyone brings
> a plate of food to share at lunchtime.
>
> Please email me if you want directions or further details. Incidentally,
> the postcode on the ukshapenote website is wrong at the moment - it
> should be CB6 3XD.
>
> All the best
> Ruthie
>
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