CHRIST IS RISEN! ... Well, theoretically it is best "without abbreviations", but the idea that none are tolerated is rather new, even in ROCOR. I have the ...
8546
Michael M. Ossorgin
mm@...
May 2, 2001 1:19 am
... Dear Father, Father bless! Indeed He is Risen! Of course abbreviations are tolerated at the risk of death- it is a very short baptism that can even be done...
8547
Rev. John R. Shaw
vrevjrs@...
May 2, 2001 4:05 pm
CHRIST IS RISEN! ... Forgive me, I did not mean to imply that *you* were guilty of bragging. The point I wanted to make was that in general, we ought not to ...
8548
Michael M. Ossorgin
mm@...
May 2, 2001 7:40 pm
Dear Father, Father, bless. XB! Very informative, thank you. It is amazing who things differ from church to church even within the same jurisdiction. I was...
8549
Rev. John R. Shaw
vrevjrs@...
May 2, 2001 9:46 pm
... BB! ... In fact, I don't think I have even been to Synod since before Rd. Isaac was there. In my day, Anatoly was the Synodal "psalomschik", and the elder...
8550
stephen.r@...
May 2, 2001 11:51 pm
... QR' ... Well, one cannot argue with that. My thought was that Muhammad became acquainted through his contacts with Jews and Christians with sacred ...
8551
Kenneth Doll
kenneth.doll@...
May 3, 2001 1:29 pm
Fr. John, Christ is Risen! Is singing the tropar and kondak at the hours the expected rendition, or is "reading" them expected and singing an elaboration? In...
8552
Rev. John R. Shaw
vrevjrs@...
May 3, 2001 1:54 pm
... TRULY RISEN! In the Russian tradition, the Tropar and Kondak are sung only at the Royal Hours [that is, on the eves of Christmas and Theophany, and on Good...
8553
Christian Moulton
christian.moulton@...
May 3, 2001 2:17 pm
Christ is Risen! It is the same in the Syro-Byzantine tradition. Except that Paschal Hours is read. Reader Andrew ... In the Russian tradition, the Tropar and...
8554
Dr. Elizabeth W. Riggs
ewriggs@...
May 3, 2001 4:04 pm
USUAL DISCLAIMER: Please review these materials for typos and just plain old mistakes! My spell-checker won't catch some words that are misusages (like bare...
8555
Theodore Voronov
theodore.voronov@...
May 3, 2001 6:17 pm
Truly He is risen! Dear Matushka Elizabeth, Thank you very much for the information about these booklets. I will try to get them later, but the main reason why...
8556
Expanding Edge LLC
blagovest@...
May 3, 2001 10:45 pm
... I am really grateful for this thread! Finally, someone is pointing out that the extreme forms of rubrical punctiliousness that have developed especially...
8557
Michael M. Ossorgin
mm@...
May 4, 2001 2:52 am
Dear John, XB! (See, even I abbreviate!) ... punctiliousness that have developed especially among converts in the last ten years simply NEVER was the general...
8558
Fr Seraphim Holland
seraphim@...
May 4, 2001 10:45 am
... clergy ... It's not ... I have no objections...
8559
frjsilver@...
May 4, 2001 10:48 am
Christ is risen! Truly risen! Dear Friends -- This is a very interesting thread, lending itself well to the momentum I feel building up toward a modern...
8560
frjsilver@...
May 4, 2001 10:48 am
Christ is risen! Truly risen! Dear Friends -- I've often observed that *everyone* recites the 'Creed' at that point of the baptismal rite when candidates are...
8561
Christian Moulton
christian.moulton@...
May 4, 2001 1:18 pm
I'm afraid my mental rivers don't run deep enough. What's the relationship between ecumenism and the abbreviation of church services? My understanding of...
8562
asp5@...
May 4, 2001 1:40 pm
Just as a counterpoint of sorts, though I am not a priest myself nor have I been to 25 baptisms, but I have attended at least a dozen in three different ROCOR...
8563
Christian Moulton
christian.moulton@...
May 4, 2001 3:20 pm
Christ is Risen! I thought the following story might be enjoyed by many on this list in light of recent conversations on this list about repeating things in...
8564
Isaac E. Lambertsen
ilector@...
May 4, 2001 3:45 pm
Dear list members, It may be of interest to some that at baptisms performed here at the Synodal cathedral (whether of infants or adults), the Creed is recited...
8565
frvboldewskul@...
May 4, 2001 3:46 pm
"Also it is worth noting that the Greek texts of this service do *not* call for the Creed to be said 3 times, but only once. This is the case not only in the...
8566
Michael M. Ossorgin
mm@...
May 4, 2001 3:48 pm
Dear Reader Andrew, Indeed He is Risen. Talk about hitting the nail on the head, thank you! In Christ, Michael...
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Rev. John R. Shaw
vrevjrs@...
May 4, 2001 3:51 pm
XPICTOC BOCKPECE! CHRIST IS RISEN! XPICTOC ANECTH! ... It is not altogether clear to me what was meant here, but this is a subject it might be interesting to...
8568
Michael M. Ossorgin
mm@...
May 4, 2001 3:52 pm
Update: The thrice repetition is not a recent practice enlisted by a majority of converts as hinted by John Burnett. It dates to pre-Revolutionary Russia. My...
8569
Rev. John R. Shaw
vrevjrs@...
May 4, 2001 4:10 pm
... IN fact, there is no "official text" of the Greek Hieraticon, and I have seen notable divergences in modern editions of it (e.g. the blessing of the...
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Rev. John R. Shaw
vrevjrs@...
May 4, 2001 4:35 pm
... CHRIST IS RISEN! Those who have the beautifully printed Slavonic Psalter from Jordanville, which was an offset reprosuction of one done in the ...
8571
kenneth.doll@...
May 4, 2001 4:51 pm
... XPICTOC BOCKPECE! CHRIST IS RISEN! XPICTOC ANECTH! Indeed, the typikon itself is full of all kinds of abbreviations which became "holy tradition"-- for...
8572
Theophan
theophan@...
May 4, 2001 5:25 pm
Reader Andrew, THANK you for the simply lovely and moving story about the Hierarch in Warsaw. May I have permission to repost it on the Orthodox Convert list...
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Stephen Reynolds
stephen.r@...
May 4, 2001 6:05 pm
-- Christ is risen! On Fri, 04 May 2001 11:42:02 ... Yes, it is undeniable that in this area the services were to one degree or another distorted by Latin...
8574
Stephen Reynolds
stephen.r@...
May 4, 2001 6:18 pm
-- XB! On Fri, 4 May 2001 10:51:39 ... Dear Father John, These points are fascinating. May I ask how far back must one go to find neumation for the verses?...
