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Re: emulating singers


just because we used our voices before our instruments does not mean we
try to copy the sound of our voices with our instruments. mario
andretti's first means of transportation that he had control of would be
his legs, or maybe his feet if you like thinking that way better. i would
bet anybody here that if you ask mario andretti if he is trying to emulate
his legs, or feet if you like thinking that way better, when he is racing
his racecar....i bet you he says....NO WAY!! this is way faster!!

the point is....what comes naturally isnt always best. thats why we have
technology to make cool things that are way better than anything god gave
us. racecars are faster than feet. telescopes can see farther than
eyeballs. just like robot hands are different from my hands violas are
different from voices.

cheers!
rolando beauvoir

On Wed, 22 Mar 2000, Charles Small wrote:

> No-one is suggesting, I hope, that string players ought to adopt the
> super-wide vibrato displayed by the worst operatic singers. But for general
> attributes ("phrasing, legato, color" etc) not only string players, but also
> pianists, clarinetists, and yes even guitarists, do indeed look to the human
> voice as a model. Where else would we look?! Our natural first instrument,
> which we practise and play assiduously almost from birth, is our voice. The
> breath which is the soul of singing is also the soul inside the sound of all
> those other ("mechanical", "artificial") instruments.
> IMHO. Ch.S
>





Wed Mar 22, 2000 4:59 pm

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... Sure, Paul Doktor would be on that list. But saying that somebody is a great musician is different from saying that you agree with everything that person...
Cameron Raecke
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Mar 23, 2000
12:15 am

just because we used our voices before our instruments does not mean we try to copy the sound of our voices with our instruments. mario andretti's first means...
Rolando Beauvoir
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Mar 23, 2000
1:04 am

... Of course not! Nobody is suggesting (I hope) that we try to copy in detail the sounds of a singer, or any other instrument for that matter. What has been ...
Charles Small
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Mar 23, 2000
4:54 pm

... Extremely well put, Charles. Personally, when I approach such a passage of music (I add, for those to whom it is not obvious, that I mean a lyrical or...
vitality
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Mar 23, 2000
7:02 pm

... You know, you really have to watch out for that blindingly obvious stuff, for in my experience, it can be wrong. That's why we need reasonable support,...
Cameron Raecke
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Mar 23, 2000
7:37 pm

... My sympathies go out to both "blindingly obvious" gents. But I have a question for Cameron: how do you know a "great musician"? What are your criteria for...
alan@... Send Email Mar 23, 2000
9:36 pm

... No, actually, I don't. This is the first time in this discussion, I believe, that anyone has offered the resemblance to a beautiful human voice as an...
Cameron Raecke
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Mar 24, 2000
12:17 am

... [snip] ... Cameron, I remember your post not long ago objecting to people "asserting positions without support." But here you are, saying you don't have...
Allan M Lee
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Mar 24, 2000
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... I justify it by pointing out that considering a musician great is an opinion. Opinions need no support. I say that pizza tastes good. That is an opinion....
Cameron Raecke
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Mar 24, 2000
9:45 am

... When you say someone has great musicianship, or someone is a great musician, you're asserting a position. We cannot have an intelligent conversation when...
Allan M Lee
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Mar 25, 2000
11:55 pm

In a message dated 3/24/00 3:46:41 AM Central Standard Time, ... Yes, indeed your set of criteria give you your satisfaction with your decision in establishing...
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7:25 pm

... You've just answered your own question--if it's up to each of us to determine what a "beautiful" human voice is, it's equally up to each of us to determine...
Jeff Bigler
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Mar 24, 2000
12:37 am

Just throwing in with Jeff and Cameron again; if you say listen only to the good singers and not the bad in terms of identifying good viola playing with the...
Jared Weissbrot
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Mar 24, 2000
4:13 am

What a bunch of double talk!!! I still don't think you answered the question. Why do you say one performer is better than another? What is the criteria on...
Hannah Skupen
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Mar 25, 2000
1:17 am

It seemed blindingly ... Dear Cameron, I don't find that to be contradictory at all. Example: if I see a banana peel on the ground and a person walking toward...
Synnove L. Marlow
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Mar 23, 2000
10:22 pm

this is an interesting example but i think it's way off from god's omniscience. if god is omniscient then dont you think He can predestine what stuff is going...
Rolando Beauvoir
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Mar 24, 2000
12:18 am

... Careful, these are two different uses of the word "know." When you say you know the person will slip, the probability of your being right is less than 1....
Cameron Raecke
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Mar 24, 2000
12:27 am

Dear Cameron, If someone can predict something 100% of the time, does that mean he caused whatever it is which happens to happen? If so, there are an awful...
Synnove L. Marlow
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Mar 25, 2000
1:32 am

Dear Rolando, ... There's still misunderstanding of terminology here. Omniscient means all-knowing with no implications of power. Omnipotence is being ...
Synnove L. Marlow
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Mar 25, 2000
1:23 am

what has power, in terms of all of it, got to do with what we are writing about?? you say omniscient means ALL-KNOWING ....when i think about all-knowing...
Rolando Beauvoir
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Mar 25, 2000
2:02 am

... of ... much ... I totally agree! If and when it seems that the hands' manipulation of the equipment is interfering with the player's conception of the...
PMcarty@... Send Email Mar 23, 2000
7:45 pm

... I completely agree with just about everything above, except the bit about the distinction between great music and fine viola playing; I would say that the...
Cameron Raecke
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Mar 23, 2000
11:43 pm

Warning: this is a tangent. Despite my providing a counterexample to Ms. McCarty's wonderful analogy, don't take that to mean that I necessarily disagree...
Jeff Bigler
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Mar 24, 2000
12:18 am

but my phrasing and your phrasing are not the same. if they are then i bet you a lot that it is a big coincidence! maybe they are similar tho. that may also...
Rolando Beauvoir
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Mar 23, 2000
11:51 pm

Viola players! I think singers sing and viola players play the viola. No wonder they sound different. Hundreds of years ago, maybe musical instruments ...
John Sutherland
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Mar 24, 2000
5:16 pm

<<singers can't do a lot of the effects the viola player CAN do (e.g. pizzicato, marcato, fouete, flying staccato, different types of vibrato, sul ponticello,...
HEIDELBEAR@... Send Email Mar 25, 2000
1:12 pm

... I also highly recommend the CD "Una forma mas" by the Cuban group Vocal sampling. They are totally a capella - no instruments whatsoever - and listening to...
Wesley A. Dyring
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Mar 25, 2000
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