This is just awesome guys! I finally got around to graduatin and I didn't even
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I am fully qualified in a BA and on the hunt for a new job! I'll let you
guys know how I do, but just thought I'd mention this now since they helped me
out. If any of u interested in getting a BA or something similar without having
to go through all the       hassle they put you through in US institutions give
these
guys a call 801 697-0461 . They got me through in around a month.

damn! these guys just fixed up my current house loan, consolidated all the old
ones, and im saving 600 bucks a month!! http://nevergivein.info/kyjj

Hey guys, It's been many months since anyone's posted in this group. I
just checked and we have 22 members. Not bad! Anyway, since this group
is about being free to say anything, including controversial things,
I'll send out something I just wrote. Feel free to comment if you
choose. And feel free to pass it around.

  The Anti-Semite's Pledge
© 2006 by Aaron Minsky *

Just because I oppose the state of Israel, I am not an anti-Semite.

Just because I believe that Israel does not have a right to exist, I
am not an anti-Semite.

Just because I support those who would destroy Israel and "throw the
Jews into the sea", I am not an anti-Semite.

Just because I support those who teach the hatred of Jews to their
children, I am not an anti-Semite.

Just because I support those who actively plot to murder, and actually
murder, Jewish women and children, I am not an anti-Semite.

Just because I know that hundreds of thousands of Jews fled for their
lives from Arab countries and the Soviet Union, finding guaranteed
asylum in Israel, yet I still feel that there never should have been
an Israel for them to flee to, I am not an anti-Semite.

Just because I know that during World War II Jews were turned away
from many countries, including the United States, and sent back to
Germany to certain death, yet I still oppose a safe haven for Jews in
this world, I am not an anti-Semite.

Just because I find it irrelevant that the Jews existed as a nation in
the land of Israel for 1,500 years, and are the only people in history
to ever have had an independent state on that land, and to ever have
had Jerusalem as a capitol, I am not an anti-Semite.

Just because I do not feel that after 2,000 years of expulsions,
persecution, and pogroms in Europe and the Middle East the Jews
deserve a homeland, I am not an anti-Semite.

Just because I do not feel that even after the Holocaust the Jews
deserve a homeland, I am not an anti-Semite.

Just because I oppose the right of the Jews to have a land, an army,
and the ability to defend themselves from those who would finish
Hitler's work, I am not an anti-Semite.

Just because I call the victims of the Nazis: Nazis, and compare their
leaders to Hitler when they defend themselves against Palestinians who
were allies of Hitler, and still openly call for their destruction,
and actually murder Jews today in horrific terrorist acts, I am not an
anti-Semite.

Just because I know that Jerusalem is not mentioned even once in the
Koran, yet is mentioned hundreds of times in the Bible, and that
Muslims bow toward Mecca when they pray, while Jews pray toward
Jerusalem, and that the return to Zion figures prominently in the
daily and festival Jewish prayer services, and not at all in the
Muslim services, yet I still believe that the Muslims who knowingly
built a mosque on top of the site of the Jewish Temple should have the
eternal right to possess that land and prevent Jews from ever
returning there, I am not an anti-Semite.

Just because I call Islam "a religion of peace", even though Muslims
are constantly killing Jews (and others) and glorifying those who do,
I am not an anti-Semite.

Just because I call Islam "a religion of peace" even though it calls
for perpetual Jihad against all non Muslims and claims that those who
kill non Muslims (derisively called "Infidels") will go to heaven to
have sex with 72 virgins, while I call Judaism a "primitive" religion
even though it calls for a world of peace, and claims that entry into
heaven is based on moral behavior, I am not an anti-Semite.

Just because I am constantly calling on Israel to give back land it
has won in defensive wars, land from which it was attacked, while not
calling for any other country on earth to give back land, even land
won in offensive wars, I am not an anti-Semite.

Just because Israel was given back to the Jews by a vote in the United
Nations, yet I claim they "stole" the land from the Arabs, I am not an
anti-Semite.

Just because I accuse Israel of human rights violations, massacres,
and indiscriminate bloodshed, while turning a blind eye to the never
ending murder of Jews by Arabs since 1948 and before, I am not an
anti-Semite.

Just because I raise the killing of any one person by a Jew higher
than the millions of people worldwide who are killed by Muslims,
Christians and others year by year, I am not an anti-Semite.

Just because I call all military actions by Israel, even if they are
in self defense, "barbaric", "terrorism", etc., yet never call the
actions of Arabs against Jews by those names, even if they are
unprovoked and cause extreme pain and suffering, I am not an anti-Semite.

Just because I call those who attack America or Europe "terrorists",
but call those who attack Israel, or kill Jews throughout the world
"militants", or "combatants", or "the resistance", I am not an
anti-Semite.

Just because I would not allow one bomb to fall on my country without
demanding a strong military response, yet I expect Israel to allow
itself to constantly be bombed, and if it does respond, I demand that
it respond "proportionately", I am not an anti-Semite.

Just because I believe the figure of 6 million Jews is too high for
the amount of Jews killed in the Holocaust and think that this is
really important, I am not an anti-Semite.

Just because I believe there were many "Holocausts" and the Jews have
turned their suffering into an industry to take advantage of the guilt
of others, I am not an anti-Semite.

Just because school textbooks in Saudi Arabia contain the following
quotes, "The apes are Jews, the people of the Sabbath; while the swine
are the Christians, the infidels of the communion of Jesus", "They are
the Jews, whom God has cursed", yet I blame the Jews for the hatred
that exists in the middle east, I am not an anti-Semite.

Just because I accuse Israel of being an "apartheid state", even
though Israeli Arabs are full citizens and even serve in the
government, while no Jews are allowed to serve in any Arab government,
and most Arab states kicked out all of the Jews who did live there, I
am not an anti-Semite.

Just because I know that many Arabs do not want Jews, or any non
Muslims, to even set foot on "Muslim soil", and that all non Muslims
are banned from Mecca or Medina, yet I don't accuse any Arab states of
"apartheid", I am not an anti-Semite.

Just because I know that under Jordanian rule, Jews were banned from
East Jerusalem, yet under Jewish rule people of all faiths are allowed
to visit and live in Jerusalem, yet I did not call for the
"internationalization" of Jerusalem under Jordanian control, but call
for it under Israeli control, I am not an anti-Semite.

Just because the PLO and Hamas charters call for the destruction of
Israel and the killing of Jews, yet I support these groups, I am not
an anti-Semite.

Just because the Hamas charter contains many anti-Semitic canards
taken directly from the Czarist Russian forgery, "The Protocols of the
Elders of Zion", accusing the Jews of controlling the media and the
banks, and being behind of all of the world wars, yet I support Hamas
in their "struggle" against "the Zionist entity", I am not an anti-Semite.

Just because I know that the land of Israel is as important to Judaism
as Mecca is to Islam, and Jesus is to Christianity, yet I still feel
that the Jews should not be allowed to have a country there, I am not
an anti-Semite.

Just because I know that the land of Israel is filled with Jewish
historical sites such as the Temple Mount, the Western Wall, Massada,
the tomb of Rachel, the graves of the Jewish prophets, yet I call the
Jews  "Europeans" and accuse them of "colonialism", I am not an
anti-Semite.

Just because I know that most of the Arabs who fled Israel, did so
because they were told by the leaders of the surrounding Arab
countries that the Jews would all be killed and then they would be
able to return to an Arab Palestine, yet when that did not occur, they
were not allowed to immigrate into the Arab countries of their
brethren, but were kept in refuge camps for generations, in order to
fill them with hatred, and keep them as pawns to attack the Jewish
State, yet I ignore all that and blame "Israeli intransigence" for the
problems in the middle east, I am not an anti-Semite.

Just because I support the "right of self determination" for the
Tibetans, the Nicaraguans, and virtually every other ethnic group in
the world, except the Jews, I am not an anti-Semite.

Just because I know that without a Jewish State the Jews will be in
the same helpless position they were in before World War II, and I
oppose the continuance of a Jewish State, I am not an anti-Semite.

Just because I know that without Israel, the Jews could be rounded up
again in the future and genocide could be carried out against them,
and I oppose the continuance of Israel, I am not an anti-Semite.

Just because I know that history tends to repeat itself if precautions
are not taken, yet reject allowing the Jews to take the precautions
necessary to prevent a future Holocaust, I am not an anti-Semite.

Just because I think that Judaism has no place in the modern world, I
am not an anti-Semite.

Just because I think Jews have no place in the modern world, I am not
an anti-Semite.

Just because I think the Jews are behind most, if not all, of the
world's problems, I am not an anti-Semite.

Just because I tell stereotypical Jewish jokes, and call Jews names, I
am not an anti-Semite.

Let's face it...just because I hate those damn Jews and wish them all
dead, I am STILL not an anti-Semite!
----------------------

* Aaron Minsky (aka rock cellist Von Cello) is the author of "Beyond
Faith", a book that explains the rationale behind Orthodox Judaism and
compares traditional Judaism to other religions, philosophies. and
disciplines. He is also a published composer with Oxford, a Yamaha
Artist, and in Who's Who in America and the International Who's Who.
See http://www.voncello.com for more information.

hope yer doin well, had to reactivate my yahoo stuff,, things got
crazy for a while, and you probably don't remember my posting a while
back..
just checking out your video online,,some good stuff,, kinda dark,
no? i'm actually groovin on it..

anyways, i wanted to touch base with you about gigs,, would you be
interested in doing a festival out in ohio (best kind of description
i could put to it would be a hippie fest)
i already talked to the venue about getting joe deninzon back out
there for the recipe family cookout.. but it's a great venue.. nelson
ledges quarry park (you can check em out at www.nlqp.com)  they're
great folks and the place has a real majical vibe.. they've thrashed
with everything from insane clown posse to david grisman to mickey
hart..

anyways, i'd be happy to put in a word for you if you'd get a press
kit to him.. i'm not involved in the whole contract deal or
anything,, just a friend of the owner and his rep with homegrown..
that's another outfit i think you should look into.. homegrown music
network.. (www.homegrownmusic.net)  they have a network of volunteers
all over the country that support the bands with street team style
promotion and stuff.. get them a pk!  i've gotten both bands and
venues involved with them, and can't say enough about the great folks
over there that run it..

another thing.. do you do bar type gigs?  i know a few different
club's that i might have a little input..

i found the von cello website because of the deninzon web site,, i
love sharin music and spreadin different stuff i hear (that i enjoy!)
among friends and extended family..

be well
keith

well i guess heres as gud ss anywhere  . Im done with work now at
1014pm monday and its nice outside. lookingfwd to a visit this yr from
murry soriano or jeff zuck. Cousins maybe will visit too. all wel come
but not all will come.

Yeah I know, I never really thought this stuff would work either, but honestly I
stand totally corrected. This place http://www.meetthemnowhere.info/ckxp is
actually very awesome. I hooked mycam up and within no time at all I was talking
to a few great ladies over it. Anyway, I recommend it to everyone here!

hey guys, here is something for ya'll to check out. Just     been playing around
on it myself, pretty fun actually, lol, and even had a bit of  interest from
some ladies on there.   Anyway, have a peek if you're interested, been a lot of
fun so far http://www.yourdreammatch.info/vqgry

Meredith,

I think I know about that festival. I saw the program on a website. Isn't it
something like Medow Music Festival? How funny that it turns out that your
mother was one of the cellists! Today two other cellists are playing my duets in
a concert in Old Westbury, NY.

Please tell me more. What is your mother's name, and that of her partner? How
was the audience reaction? Do they have a program, or a tape that they could
send me? I always love finding out about concerts with my music. Also, let me
know if they would like to be signed up to my email list.

As for Scott, that is amazing that you are so close to him. If you see him, tell
him I said hi, and let him know about your and your mom's use of my music. I
think he would get a kick out of knowing that his "crazy" old roommate is
changing the cello repertoire of cellists out there in Washington State! :-)

Feel free to email back to this group, or email me at voncello@....

Thanks,
Aaron

Meredith wrote:

> WO!!!!!
>
> Scott Hosfeld is my musical father! He means so much to me. He took
> me to Fischoff when I was a sophomore in high school. Damn, small
> world! I admire your preserverance in a trying place. I certainly
> couldn't handle it. I hope you dont hold that against me. My mom
> came over two days ago ironically and we played your cello duets.
> She and another cellist featured them in a music festival just a
> couple weeks ago. You will be hearing from me in your other e-mail
> (voncello@voncello) very soon, I started writing a draft a few hours
> ago and then left to eat Thai food.
>
> Thank you so much for your replies,
> Meredith
>
> --- In voncello_offtopicgroup@yahoogroups.com, "Von Cello (Aaron
> Minsky)" <voncello@v...> wrote:
> > Meredith,
> >
> > I went to Manhattan for four years studying with David Wells. It
> was
> > not "liberating" but at that time I wanted to get my classical
> playing
> > up to a professional level. Back then I had a roommate for a while
> from
> > Wenatchee! Do you know violist Scott Hosfelt?
> >
> > I share your frustration with finding like minded musicians. I
> have the
> > same problem. Musicians will stand on their heads and whistle
> Dixie for
> > $100, but most do not want to invest their time to create a band
> that
> > could make millions. All I can say is being a musician is a
> journey.
> > Sometimes you don't end up on the shore you were expecting to go.
> But
> > hey, wasn't Columbus trying to get to India?
> >
> > Aaron
> >
> > Meredith wrote:
> >
> > > HI Aaron,
> > > I'm a classicaly trained cellist from a small city in
> Washington. I
> > > studied at Manhattan School of Music with David Geber for one
> > > semester then came back, as I found it the opposite of
> liberating.
> > > Then I studied with John Michel at Central Washington
> University. I
> > > must be allergic to dorms. So I'm back in Wenatchee taking music
> > > theory from the community college...
> > >
> > > but at heart i'm a rock star. I cant stand the lifeless
> emotionless
> > > boring performances so many classically trained musicians give. i
> > > like to be uninhibited, unrestrained. i was born to rock an
> > > audience, really grab them by the balls. its a special power
> that i
> > > have only met in a couple of other people, despite my travels to
> > > higher institutions.
> > >
> > > I'm so frusterated right now. i love performing apocalyptica
> tunes,
> > > banging my head and such. The problem i face is one i've always
> > > struggled with: finding passionate souls that want to create
> amazing
> > > rocking innovative music and tour the major stages of the US.
> > >
> > > nothing excites me more than fantasizing being on a stage with
> > > Nirvana or Metallica. Alternating singing and playing the cello.
> I
> > > need to invent a more sturdy bow. one thats better for metal
> music.
> > > O.k. I need to go practice.
> > >
> > > --- In voncello_offtopicgroup@yahoogroups.com, "Von Cello (Aaron
> > > Minsky)" <voncello@v...> wrote:
> > > > Hey Meredith,
> > > >
> > > > Thanks for signing up. There hasn't been much activity in the
> > > group for
> > > > a while, but one day it may pick up again.
> > > >
> > > > You must be a cellist, so tell us about your background. I'm
> glad
> > > you
> > > > like the etudes. How did you find out about Von Cello?
> > > >
> > > > Aaron
> > > > http://www.voncello.com
> > > >
> > > > Meredith wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > so was it worth my time to join this group?
> > > > >
> > > > > looking at the recent *coughs* post history its not lookin
> > > spiffy.
> > > > >
> > > > > i just now learned about this voncello fellow. (hey i'm a
> poet
> > > and i
> > > > > didn't even know it)
> > > > >
> > > > > Well, had I KNOWN that Aaron Minsky's alternate identity was
> > > > > voncello then. yeah. i played the first couple american
> etudes.
> > > long
> > > > > time ago. but i remember them so that means they kicked ass!
> > > > >
> > > > > my memory sucks, especially when it comes to non-memorable
> music
> > > or
> > > > > performances.
> > > > >
> > > > > i'll stop babbling to a vacant board.
> > > > >
> > > > > much love,
> > > > > Meredith
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > ---
> > > > > [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus]
> > >
> > >
> > > Yahoo! Groups Links
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ---
> > > [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus]
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>
> ---
> [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus]


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

WO!!!!!

Scott Hosfeld is my musical father! He means so much to me. He took
me to Fischoff when I was a sophomore in high school. Damn, small
world! I admire your preserverance in a trying place. I certainly
couldn't handle it. I hope you dont hold that against me. My mom
came over two days ago ironically and we played your cello duets.
She and another cellist featured them in a music festival just a
couple weeks ago. You will be hearing from me in your other e-mail
(voncello@voncello) very soon, I started writing a draft a few hours
ago and then left to eat Thai food.

Thank you so much for your replies,
Meredith





--- In voncello_offtopicgroup@yahoogroups.com, "Von Cello (Aaron
Minsky)" <voncello@v...> wrote:
> Meredith,
>
> I went to Manhattan for four years studying with David Wells. It
was
> not "liberating" but at that time I wanted to get my classical
playing
> up to a professional level. Back then I had a roommate for a while
from
> Wenatchee! Do you know violist Scott Hosfelt?
>
> I share your frustration with finding like minded musicians. I
have the
> same problem. Musicians will stand on their heads and whistle
Dixie for
> $100, but most do not want to invest their time to create a band
that
> could make millions. All I can say is being a musician is a
journey.
> Sometimes you don't end up on the shore you were expecting to go.
But
> hey, wasn't Columbus trying to get to India?
>
> Aaron
>
> Meredith wrote:
>
> > HI Aaron,
> > I'm a classicaly trained cellist from a small city in
Washington. I
> > studied at Manhattan School of Music with David Geber for one
> > semester then came back, as I found it the opposite of
liberating.
> > Then I studied with John Michel at Central Washington
University. I
> > must be allergic to dorms. So I'm back in Wenatchee taking music
> > theory from the community college...
> >
> > but at heart i'm a rock star. I cant stand the lifeless
emotionless
> > boring performances so many classically trained musicians give. i
> > like to be uninhibited, unrestrained. i was born to rock an
> > audience, really grab them by the balls. its a special power
that i
> > have only met in a couple of other people, despite my travels to
> > higher institutions.
> >
> > I'm so frusterated right now. i love performing apocalyptica
tunes,
> > banging my head and such. The problem i face is one i've always
> > struggled with: finding passionate souls that want to create
amazing
> > rocking innovative music and tour the major stages of the US.
> >
> > nothing excites me more than fantasizing being on a stage with
> > Nirvana or Metallica. Alternating singing and playing the cello.
I
> > need to invent a more sturdy bow. one thats better for metal
music.
> > O.k. I need to go practice.
> >
> > --- In voncello_offtopicgroup@yahoogroups.com, "Von Cello (Aaron
> > Minsky)" <voncello@v...> wrote:
> > > Hey Meredith,
> > >
> > > Thanks for signing up. There hasn't been much activity in the
> > group for
> > > a while, but one day it may pick up again.
> > >
> > > You must be a cellist, so tell us about your background. I'm
glad
> > you
> > > like the etudes. How did you find out about Von Cello?
> > >
> > > Aaron
> > > http://www.voncello.com
> > >
> > > Meredith wrote:
> > >
> > > > so was it worth my time to join this group?
> > > >
> > > > looking at the recent *coughs* post history its not lookin
> > spiffy.
> > > >
> > > > i just now learned about this voncello fellow. (hey i'm a
poet
> > and i
> > > > didn't even know it)
> > > >
> > > > Well, had I KNOWN that Aaron Minsky's alternate identity was
> > > > voncello then. yeah. i played the first couple american
etudes.
> > long
> > > > time ago. but i remember them so that means they kicked ass!
> > > >
> > > > my memory sucks, especially when it comes to non-memorable
music
> > or
> > > > performances.
> > > >
> > > > i'll stop babbling to a vacant board.
> > > >
> > > > much love,
> > > > Meredith
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Yahoo! Groups Links
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ---
> > > > [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus]
> >
> >
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ---
> > [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus]

Meredith,

I went to Manhattan for four years studying with David Wells. It was
not "liberating" but at that time I wanted to get my classical playing
up to a professional level. Back then I had a roommate for a while from
Wenatchee! Do you know violist Scott Hosfelt?

I share your frustration with finding like minded musicians. I have the
same problem. Musicians will stand on their heads and whistle Dixie for
$100, but most do not want to invest their time to create a band that
could make millions. All I can say is being a musician is a journey.
Sometimes you don't end up on the shore you were expecting to go. But
hey, wasn't Columbus trying to get to India?

Aaron

Meredith wrote:

> HI Aaron,
> I'm a classicaly trained cellist from a small city in Washington. I
> studied at Manhattan School of Music with David Geber for one
> semester then came back, as I found it the opposite of liberating.
> Then I studied with John Michel at Central Washington University. I
> must be allergic to dorms. So I'm back in Wenatchee taking music
> theory from the community college...
>
> but at heart i'm a rock star. I cant stand the lifeless emotionless
> boring performances so many classically trained musicians give. i
> like to be uninhibited, unrestrained. i was born to rock an
> audience, really grab them by the balls. its a special power that i
> have only met in a couple of other people, despite my travels to
> higher institutions.
>
> I'm so frusterated right now. i love performing apocalyptica tunes,
> banging my head and such. The problem i face is one i've always
> struggled with: finding passionate souls that want to create amazing
> rocking innovative music and tour the major stages of the US.
>
> nothing excites me more than fantasizing being on a stage with
> Nirvana or Metallica. Alternating singing and playing the cello. I
> need to invent a more sturdy bow. one thats better for metal music.
> O.k. I need to go practice.
>
> --- In voncello_offtopicgroup@yahoogroups.com, "Von Cello (Aaron
> Minsky)" <voncello@v...> wrote:
> > Hey Meredith,
> >
> > Thanks for signing up. There hasn't been much activity in the
> group for
> > a while, but one day it may pick up again.
> >
> > You must be a cellist, so tell us about your background. I'm glad
> you
> > like the etudes. How did you find out about Von Cello?
> >
> > Aaron
> > http://www.voncello.com
> >
> > Meredith wrote:
> >
> > > so was it worth my time to join this group?
> > >
> > > looking at the recent *coughs* post history its not lookin
> spiffy.
> > >
> > > i just now learned about this voncello fellow. (hey i'm a poet
> and i
> > > didn't even know it)
> > >
> > > Well, had I KNOWN that Aaron Minsky's alternate identity was
> > > voncello then. yeah. i played the first couple american etudes.
> long
> > > time ago. but i remember them so that means they kicked ass!
> > >
> > > my memory sucks, especially when it comes to non-memorable music
> or
> > > performances.
> > >
> > > i'll stop babbling to a vacant board.
> > >
> > > much love,
> > > Meredith
> > >
> > >
> > > Yahoo! Groups Links
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ---
> > > [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus]
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>
> ---
> [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus]

HI Aaron,
I'm a classicaly trained cellist from a small city in Washington. I
studied at Manhattan School of Music with David Geber for one
semester then came back, as I found it the opposite of liberating.
Then I studied with John Michel at Central Washington University. I
must be allergic to dorms. So I'm back in Wenatchee taking music
theory from the community college...

but at heart i'm a rock star. I cant stand the lifeless emotionless
boring performances so many classically trained musicians give. i
like to be uninhibited, unrestrained. i was born to rock an
audience, really grab them by the balls. its a special power that i
have only met in a couple of other people, despite my travels to
higher institutions.

I'm so frusterated right now. i love performing apocalyptica tunes,
banging my head and such. The problem i face is one i've always
struggled with: finding passionate souls that want to create amazing
rocking innovative music and tour the major stages of the US.

nothing excites me more than fantasizing being on a stage with
Nirvana or Metallica. Alternating singing and playing the cello. I
need to invent a more sturdy bow. one thats better for metal music.
O.k. I need to go practice.



--- In voncello_offtopicgroup@yahoogroups.com, "Von Cello (Aaron
Minsky)" <voncello@v...> wrote:
> Hey Meredith,
>
> Thanks for signing up. There hasn't been much activity in the
group for
> a while, but one day it may pick up again.
>
> You must be a cellist, so tell us about your background. I'm glad
you
> like the etudes. How did you find out about Von Cello?
>
> Aaron
> http://www.voncello.com
>
> Meredith wrote:
>
> > so was it worth my time to join this group?
> >
> > looking at the recent *coughs* post history its not lookin
spiffy.
> >
> > i just now learned about this voncello fellow. (hey i'm a poet
and i
> > didn't even know it)
> >
> > Well, had I KNOWN that Aaron Minsky's alternate identity was
> > voncello then. yeah. i played the first couple american etudes.
long
> > time ago. but i remember them so that means they kicked ass!
> >
> > my memory sucks, especially when it comes to non-memorable music
or
> > performances.
> >
> > i'll stop babbling to a vacant board.
> >
> > much love,
> > Meredith
> >
> >
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ---
> > [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus]

Hey Meredith,

Thanks for signing up. There hasn't been much activity in the group for
a while, but one day it may pick up again.

You must be a cellist, so tell us about your background. I'm glad you
like the etudes. How did you find out about Von Cello?

Aaron
http://www.voncello.com

Meredith wrote:

> so was it worth my time to join this group?
>
> looking at the recent *coughs* post history its not lookin spiffy.
>
> i just now learned about this voncello fellow. (hey i'm a poet and i
> didn't even know it)
>
> Well, had I KNOWN that Aaron Minsky's alternate identity was
> voncello then. yeah. i played the first couple american etudes. long
> time ago. but i remember them so that means they kicked ass!
>
> my memory sucks, especially when it comes to non-memorable music or
> performances.
>
> i'll stop babbling to a vacant board.
>
> much love,
> Meredith
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>
> ---
> [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus]

so was it worth my time to join this group?

looking at the recent *coughs* post history its not lookin spiffy.

i just now learned about this voncello fellow. (hey i'm a poet and i
didn't even know it)

Well, had I KNOWN that Aaron Minsky's alternate identity was
voncello then. yeah. i played the first couple american etudes. long
time ago. but i remember them so that means they kicked ass!

my memory sucks, especially when it comes to non-memorable music or
performances.


i'll stop babbling to a vacant board.

much love,
Meredith

i read it
email me at  levihello@...
No More Email at Hotmail.
All Email to Gmail.



----Original Message Follows----
From: "Von Cello (Aaron Minsky)" <voncello@...>
Reply-To: voncello_offtopicgroup@yahoogroups.com
To: voncello_offtopicgroup@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [voncello_offtopicgroup] got the spammer off the list!
Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2005 11:31:18 -0500

Hi Folks,

Can you believe this? A spammer joined the list just to send out this
garbage! Anyway, I
just booted him or her off the list. Hopefully "it" won't come
back. Otherwise I will
change the settings to require approval to join.

Boy, this group has been quiet. I guess most of my posts have been on my
guestbook and in
my email list letter. See you there.

All the Best,
Von Cello

Malisa wrote:

> That is right, best MP3 player iPod, FREE!
> But just take only one, please by click:
>
> http://www.freeipods.com/default.aspx?referer=springmusic88@yahoo.com
>
> No more left? Maybe, if you wait for tommorrow.
>
> Not interest, my apology, ignore, please.
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>

Hi Folks,

Can you believe this? A spammer joined the list just to send out this garbage!
Anyway, I
just booted him or her off the list. Hopefully "it" won't come back. Otherwise I
will
change the settings to require approval to join.

Boy, this group has been quiet. I guess most of my posts have been on my
guestbook and in
my email list letter. See you there.

All the Best,
Von Cello

Malisa wrote:

> That is right, best MP3 player iPod, FREE!
> But just take only one, please by click:
>
> http://www.freeipods.com/default.aspx?referer=springmusic88@yahoo.com
>
> No more left? Maybe, if you wait for tommorrow.
>
> Not interest, my apology, ignore, please.
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>

That is right, best MP3 player iPod, FREE!
But just take only one, please by click:

http://www.freeipods.com/default.aspx?referer=springmusic88@yahoo.com

No more left? Maybe, if you wait for tommorrow.

Not interest, my apology, ignore, please.

I rarely send out more than one post a week, but I rarely do a radio show and
then get
invited back for the next night! So I hope you don't mind this post on the heels
of the
last one. (See the details below.)

Last night (early this morning) I was on the Joey Reynolds show on WOR 710 AM
from 3:00
A.M. until 5:00 A.M. Joey had Joe Deninzon and myself on the show to promote our
concert
this coming Wednesday, June 2nd, at the Cutting Room.

During the show, the famous conductor, David Randolph, called up and we had a
rollicking
discussion ranging from Bach's Saint Matthew Passion to George Bush's
presidency! Later we
talked about everything from Janet Jackson's exposure on TV to beliefs about
God! Joe and
I also got to play, a few times. We played an acoustic string duet of Purple
Haze, that
even got positive comments from Maestro Randolph! Later we each played
separately. I
played and sang Feelin' Fine from Von Cello Rules!

Joey must have enjoyed having me as a guest because he invited me back for
another round
tonight! The show tonight is called *The Jewish Hour*, and for this show, Joey
brings
people together from all walks of life who happen to be Jewish. Among the other
guests
tonight, I believe, will be Claire Barry of the famous Barry Sisters. During the
show, I
will probably get to play a movement of my Judaic Concert Suite. (Joey now has
an
autographed copy.)

If you missed last night...and I can't blame you if you didn't stay up until
then...be
sure to catch us tonight. Here are the details:

Joey Reynolds Show
WOR Radio Station 710 AM, New York, and affiliates Coast to Coast
12:00 Midnight tonight (actually Saturday morning)
The show is broadcast later on Saturday in markets around the country
Check the internet to see if it will be playing on a station near you!

And don't forget to come to the Wildstringz Show:

Wildstringz
Wednesday, June 2nd
Cutting Room, 19 W. 24th St., 212-691-1900
8:00 Martha Mooke
9:00 Von Cello
10:00 Joe Deninzon

Have a good holiday weekend!

Von Cello
http://www.voncello.com/





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Hello List Members,

Juneís email list letter is coming out a little early to advertise my radio
interview
tomorrow night, and the Wildstringz show next week! It is packed with a lot of
other
interesting and exciting stuff. Itís a classic issue. Enjoy!
--------------------------------------

NO SOAP RADIO!

Tomorrow night, Thursday, May 27th, I will be on the radio for several hours
beginning at
1:30 A.M. (so actually, it will be Friday, early morning). I will be on the Joey
Reynolds
show, along with Joe Deninzon to promote the Wildstringz show, and to have a
great time
playing and talking. Here are the details:

Joey Reynolds Show
Early Friday morning, 1:30 A.M. until...whenever (could be several hours)
WOR, 710 on the AM dial in New York

The show is carried nationally and possibly internationally. Look here for
information:

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&ie=ISO-8859-1&q=%22joey+reynolds%22
--------------------------------------

WILDSTRINGZ!

The debut of Wildstringz is almost here! Wildstringz is the overall name of
three musical
groups led by electric violist, Martha Mooke, electric violinist, Joe Deninzon
(with
Stratospheerius), and yours truly, electric cellist, Von Cello. We are pulling
out the
stops for this show. It is at a top New York club with a great sound system and
excellent
food. Please come for an evening of sonic amazement and good vibes. Here are the
details:

When: June 2nd, Wednesday

Where: The Cutting Room, 19 W. 24th St., 212-691-1900

Cover: $10 for all 3 shows!

Martha Mooke 8 pm
Von Cello 9 pm
Joe Deninzon and Stratospheerius 10 pm

There may be a jam at the end if time permits.
--------------------------------------

CLASSICAL CORNER

This came in this month from a fine violist (wife of a famous violist):

Yup... know all about you. Actually, my introduction to you was through
a cellist friend who played your American Etudes on her recitals she
performed around the country. I then got the Dalton transcriptions and
played them here and there (I'm a violist). My husband is Danny
Seidenberg, former violist with Turtle Island String Q. We're big fans
of yours.

~Daryl S. www.daryls.com

And this from a fine electric violist:

I discovered your site and read with interest about your work.  Please feel
free to check out my electronic press kit about my work on viola at:
http://www.sonicbids.com/rozanna
Congrats on all your great work.
Rozanna

And this from a young rock cellist:

My name is Nick Hoag.  I'm a 17 year old cellist from Seattle Washington.  I
love rock
music like Audioslave, Metallica, The White Stripes, and many others.  I love to
play
their rock music, I'm constantly listening to cd's and picking up the different
lines on
my cello.  I was wondering how you got started into rock cello, and what I can
do to
follow in your footsteps.  My classical performance is pretty solid, I'm
principal cellist
of the nationally recognized Tacoma Youth Symphony, I have placed in the top 10
at the
Washington State solo contest for the last three years straight, and I love
playing rock
music on my cello, it's so unique.  I'm in desperate need of advise on how to
get in with
bands, how to audition and let people know that rock cello, well, rocks.  Thanks
for your
time and I'm looking forward to hearing from you.

And this from a rock cellist from Scotland:

my name is peter gregson, and i am a 17 year old cellist. I have just
commisioned an electric cello with MIDI capabilities, and i own a synth
module and some delay stuff etc. my brother is a very good guitarist,
and next september, we are going to start writing/recording a CD we've
been thinking about for a wee while. i was wondering if I could send
you a copy when its done? i'm a big fan of what you do - reading some
things on your site really helped me realise that i needed to look in
new directions!
--------------------------------------

THE MISSING LINK

Von Cello gets some recognition from Manhattan School of Music:
http://www.msmnyc.edu/ouralumni/classnotes/#1980s

Minskyís music listed in a curriculum from Korea:
http://www.abrsm.com.tw/practical_info/viola_info/2001-2002_viola_g8.htm

Suzuki, Popper, Piatti...and Minsky!
http://www.netmusicalinstruments.co.uk/acatalog/Online_Catalogue_Cello_Tutors_an\
d_Studies_32.html

David Johnstone strikes again! (playing Minsky)
http://www.universia.es/portada/actualidad/noticia_actualidad.jsp?noticia=53347

Avner Levy strikes again! (links to Von Cello)
http://www.chutzpahmusic.com/avnerlevy/AvnerLevyLinksText.htm
----------------------------------------

MUSICAL TIP

Last month I posted comments from Joe Deninzon that prompted several people to
respond.
Iíll post some of their comments below. But first, this is some of what Joe
said:

ìthere is nothing wrong with hamming it up for the audience. this means
communication,
whether physical or verbal, wearing something cool and outrageous. in summary,
musicians
need to get hip and reach out to people. get off their high horses and  learn to
perform.
we must simply expand people's horizons.î

Arthur Krieck wrote:
Yes I am one of those teachers who tells students not to move a lot when
performing, but
the reason I do it is so that when a performer DOES move or make a gesture, it
actually
has some meaning and communicates something to the audience. Also it forces the
performer
to put the meaning into the voice, the playing, the music! Too much of
contemporary pop
performance in my opinion is marred by meaningless gyrations and gestures (and
excessive
"production values") that have nothing to do with the song or the words, by
performers
wearing "costumes" in performance rather than clothes. Could it be that the
gyrations,
ugly clothes, fireworks etc. the "showbiz", are to distract the audience from
noticing how
poor the quality of the music and performing really is? It certainly looks and
sounds like
that to me a lot of the time! So to me it's not a matter of "getting off your
high horse"
but being specific about what you're doing in front of an audience!

Ira Kaplin wrote:
As a kid I was initially disappointed when I heard that Willie Mays would
deliberately wear his hat loosely so that it would fly off if he ran in
fast to make a catch - just to please the fans.  Later I realized that  -
since Willie is playing in front of a crowd, not simply as pure sport or
competition - this was in fact just another form of entertainment, and if
this technique increased the entertainment value, that was fine.  There are
tradeoffs, I suppose each must decide where to draw the line.  When people
started coming to hear Jackie Mason at shul not because he was an
inspirational rabbi but because he was funny, that was a signal to do
comedy instead of religion.  When people notice a performer's body more
than the music, the performer is still "succeeding" as an entertainer, but
perhaps not in the form of entertainment that was originally intended.
--------------------------------------

CLUB DATE CORNER

Wow, my post last month about a group of ìRussianî musicians sparked a firestorm
in the
clubdate business. A very heated discussion broke out on my guestbook involving
some of
these musicians. The reverberations have been heard all the way up to the desk
of the
president of Local 802!

For the record, I did not mean to imply that it is only Russians who have been
undercutting the union wage. And I did not mean to imply that all Russians do
this. In
every group of people there are those who see the value in people organizing for
the
benefit of all, and those who are out for themselves.

See the next section for a blow by blow account of the discussion that broke out
on the
guestbook.
------------------------------------

GUESTBOOK GUEST OF THE MONTH! (http://www.voncello.com/asp/guestbook.asp)

There were many posts about the clubdate issue this month on the guestbook. Here
are some
of the highlights!

Lev Zhurbin started it off with this:

In your latest newsletter, in the "CLUB DATE CORNER", you write the following:
"The string
club date business in New York is now getting competition from Russian
immigrants who are
willing to play at parties for a fraction of union scale. If the union does not
start to
take this threat seriously, it may spell the end of musicians being able to make
a living
playing club dates."

I am very disappointed with this statement. It is a borderline racist remark. As
a Russian
immigrant and an American citizen, I resent this fully.

I responded:

Lev, I'm sorry you were offended. I did not know you even did club dates. But
what I am
talking about is a group of players, who happen to be Russian, who are going out
and doing
club dates for as low as 85% below union scale!

Lev said:

Rest assured that I'm not one of those musicians and that the company with whom
I work
most of the time does indeed pay close to union scale (and on occasion
*better*). I am a
very satisfied employee.

Editorís note:

It came out later that Lev does indeed work for the company that I was referring
to,
although according to Levís figures, they pay more like 30 - 60% below union
scale, rather
than 85%. But that still allows them to undercut union musicians and take away
work. Lev
showed no remorse at all for aggressively undercutting the wage set by the
musicians'
union.

Paul Gurevitch (the top clubdate violinist in New York City) replied by email
after
reading Levís comments:

We should not back off or apologize for characterizing them as "Russians". There
is
nothing "racist" about it. I am Russian too, and it doesn't bother me. Secondly,
if this
isn't stopped, the whole union goes down the drain. An effort should be made to
get them
into the union, and their leaders also.

Alex Kharmalov (another of the so called ìRussiansî) boldly stated:

I MAKE THE RULES FOR MY OWN LIFE -- NOT SOME UNION BILLSHIT STUPID ASSHOLES.
Forgive me
for the all-caps. The Union thing really makes me puke, and it has nothing with
being a
Russian, or wanting or not wanting to get paid according to some geometrical
scale for
people who have no brains of their own.

Diane (a top union harpist) said:

The problem Aaron and I see is this: The whole world loves a bargain, but
below-wholesale
can never be the starting price. Retail is essential. Let's call union scale
retail: the
problem is that the clubdate industry is being flooded with wholesalers. As this
is not an
enormous industry, there is a finite point when this deluge will redefine the
market
price.

The point we are making is that it really is possible to earn a fair wage, and
anyone who
never tries to pay his or her employees what the market can bear is not
respecting his or
her employees. The damage, sadly does not end there. And because that damage has
permeated
a market which can support union scale, you better believe we (as in union
musicians or
those who have earned a living wage) are pissed!

Greg Thymius (excellent union woodwind player) said:

One thing I haven't seen in all these non-union discussions: what happens when
your
client, who can't afford union to pay union wages, decides after your job that
he or she
cannot afford to pay the agreed-upon price? To whom do you go?

Zack (soundman extraordinaire on many of our clubdates) summed it this way:

i don't think anyone has a problem with russian string players, i personally
know a
handful of them and i find them very professional. this whole argument is really
about the
people on the top walking away from these high profile events with a few extra
thousands
of dollars in their pockets while the musicians starve. i say the russians
should stand
with other musicians by at least charging what they are worth, and that's union
scale or
above.

The last word, though, has to go to my old friend and bandmate Perry Seigle, who
said:

I bet the dockworkers union can kick the shit out of the musicians union. ;-)
--------------------------------------

THE ENDPIN

(The endpin is the metal piece attached to the bottom of a cello,
so in this final section I will pin some final thoughts.)

Andy Lowe, the bassist who will be playing with Von Cello at the Cutting Room,
related the
following little story that makes a big point about the state of culture in
America today:

Andy was talking to a musician who was a great jazz player. He was also an
expert on jazz
history. He could listen to any jazz recording and know instantly the time
period, and the
part of the country it was from. One day he was talking to Andy about how wrong
it was for
Americans to ignore jazz because jazz is the quintessential American art form.

Andy said, ìWell, you know how it is: Masterpiece Theatre is on TV, but most
people would
rather watch smack-down wrestlingî.

The guy angrily replied, ìWhatís wrong with wrestling?!î

Von Cello
http://www.voncello.com/
http://www.cdstreet.com/artists/voncello
http://musicdish.com/contributors/voncello/index.php3
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/voncello_offtopicgroup/

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Mo Im not offended. I see now that you indeed  have told me several
times to get with the dance.  Its a music page not chat about
canarsie. My writing does suck as I write about 30 letters a day for
business. TIRED FINGERS. OK Ill be reading. no tired eyes here

Keith Rowan wrote:

>  not a problem, but i say why wait?

Because the new CD will have music more in the festival type genre.


> i'd have to say that there is a definite
> "dead" feel to alot of the fests, especially the commercialized bonnaroo
> (way to many folks for me to be comfortable)  we stick to the places that
> get 2 to 5k people, and we (my wife and i don't agree on all the stuff we
> listen to) most definitely agree on a style that was known for a little
> while as hillbilly disco, fiddles, banjos, mandolins, electric guitars,
> guests sittin in and improvising jams.. and to hear all the different
> influences..
> speaking of fests (HA) we do a thing called bnp's, which basically means, we
> offer up current and past shows to folks for the cost of a couple envelopes
> and return shipping of cd's, so basically you can find alot of great live
> shows for about a 1.20 for a 2cd show. our list of music can be found here:
> http://db.etree.org/helen
> (it takes a few minutes to load, we've got over 500 shows of all kinds)

I saw! It is incredible.

>
> it's a great way to get your music heard, the folks that trade live shows
> are always looking for different grooves to spread.
> we should be getting copies of this weekend's Recipe shows within the week
> and will be offering them up on the site if you would be interested let me
> know..
> btw,, i loved the dear prudence!
>

Wait till you hear the version on the CD. It is really amazing...if I may say so
myself.
It's got three cellos, acoustic guitars, bass and drums. The best part is this
long space
jam at the end.

Once we get past this CD and start to get our groove going with touring, I would
love to
post CDs of the shows on your site.

Von Cello
http://www.voncello.com


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not a problem, but i say why wait?  i'd have to say that there is a definite
"dead" feel to alot of the fests, especially the commercialized bonnaroo
(way to many folks for me to be comfortable)  we stick to the places that
get 2 to 5k people, and we (my wife and i don't agree on all the stuff we
listen to) most definitely agree on a style that was known for a little
while as hillbilly disco, fiddles, banjos, mandolins, electric guitars,
guests sittin in and improvising jams.. and to hear all the different
influences..
speaking of fests (HA) we do a thing called bnp's, which basically means, we
offer up current and past shows to folks for the cost of a couple envelopes
and return shipping of cd's, so basically you can find alot of great live
shows for about a 1.20 for a 2cd show. our list of music can be found here:
http://db.etree.org/helen
(it takes a few minutes to load, we've got over 500 shows of all kinds)
it's a great way to get your music heard, the folks that trade live shows
are always looking for different grooves to spread.
we should be getting copies of this weekend's Recipe shows within the week
and will be offering them up on the site if you would be interested let me
know..
btw,, i loved the dear prudence!

be well
keith
----Original Message Follows----
From: "Von Cello (Aaron Minsky)" <voncello@...>
Reply-To: voncello_offtopicgroup@yahoogroups.com
To: voncello_offtopicgroup@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [voncello_offtopicgroup] howdy
Date: Sun, 18 Apr 2004 23:42:28 -0400

Hey Mr. Oh Yeah!

Thanks for the tips on festivals. That is exactly the kind of thing I want
to do with Von
Cello. I noticed that those festivals seem to be Dead influenced jam
festivals. I always
thought I could fit in well at those kind of venues, because I can jam like
the Dead, but
I do it on cello, which puts a new spin on a great tried and true concept.

The next CD is going to have a lot more jamming on it, including a 7 minute
cover of The
Other One that is really rocking. So I think it would probably be best to
wait until the
new CD comes out and then send that to the festivals. That would put us out
about another
two months. By then, we will probably be too late for most festivals this
summer, which
really stinks. But we should be in a good position for next year.

Please keep the suggestions coming. And let me know how things go at the
festivals you
attend.

Von Cello
http://www.voncello.com/

P.S. I wish the best to you and your wife.

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Hey Mr. Oh Yeah!

Thanks for the tips on festivals. That is exactly the kind of thing I want to do
with Von
Cello. I noticed that those festivals seem to be Dead influenced jam festivals.
I always
thought I could fit in well at those kind of venues, because I can jam like the
Dead, but
I do it on cello, which puts a new spin on a great tried and true concept.

The next CD is going to have a lot more jamming on it, including a 7 minute
cover of The
Other One that is really rocking. So I think it would probably be best to wait
until the
new CD comes out and then send that to the festivals. That would put us out
about another
two months. By then, we will probably be too late for most festivals this
summer, which
really stinks. But we should be in a good position for next year.

Please keep the suggestions coming. And let me know how things go at the
festivals you
attend.

Von Cello
http://www.voncello.com/

P.S. I wish the best to you and your wife.

i finally got a chance to download some music from your site, i'm
really enjoying the sgt. voncello show, i'm checking out the live
show from harrisburg now..
i mentioned your name and site to a local venue (local for now, i
think i mentioned i'm moving to reading pa, that's an interesting
story) and i really think you should send him a press kit..
his name is Evan Kelly, his address is
Box#116
Garrettsville,Ohio 44231
his venue is Nelson Ledges Quarry Park, a beautiful 250 acre
campground, you can check out the site and what he does here;
http://www.nlqp.com
another festival site you should check out is The Church of Universal
Love and Music, their site is http://www.ilovemusicchurch.com/ and
the venue owner's name is Willie
i don't know if you are into the festival thing but thought i would
mention a couple of my favorite places.. we don't camp out anymore
due to my wife's health problems, but we will be making it to these
venues for a couple of fests..
keep on keepin on
keith

levihello wrote:

>  i left cause i saw mnths pass with no movement here. It was a
> problem of too many cookies in my disc. please keep the blood and
> thoughts flowing in my brain.
>

You don't need cookies to respond to emails from this group. Just hit reply on
your email
window and respond.

We have about 15 members, but you're right; there is very little action. But
that seems to
be the case with most of these types of groups.

Last night Von Cello played at Hogs and Heifers. Two people from Canarsie showed
up. Larry
Cuocci (aka Cooch) and Fred Mitlitsky. I wish we had more Canarsie folks at gigs
but I
guess most are too busy these days to stay out late and see a band. But it was
great
seeing those two guys at a show after all these years.

Von Cello
http://www.voncello.com/


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i left cause i saw mnths pass with no movement here. It was a
problem of too many cookies in my disc. please keep the blood and
thoughts flowing in my brain.

I meant to say homegrownmusic.

That's so weird, I just tried both of your links, therecipefamily and
homegrownbands, and
now they are both down!

VC

Keith, that is a great story! Thanks for telling it. You see, you never know
where
something will lead, and here, my association with Joe has brought you to me.
Now who
knows what our association could bring?

My site is up and running. I just checked. It almost never crashes, so if that
ever
happens again, just come back soon and it will probably be up again.

I did already check out The Recipe Family and found it to be a very cool site.
I'll have
to spend more time there to really check it out soon.

Von Cello

Mr Oh Yeah wrote:

>  Hello Aaron, actually, i am involved with a band called The Recipe on
> a grassroots volunteer level,(we built there new website, but are
> just fans.. you can see what we did
> here:http://www.therecipefamily.com) i'm also involved in a group
> called The Homegrown Music Network.  Well, i kind of helped a venue
> become a member of the network (you can check out what they do here:
> http://www.homegrownmusic.net) The venue is Nelson Ledges Quarry Park
> (www.nlqp.com) and i noticed that they had Joe Deninzon playing
> there, i was lucky enough to catch Joe at a small venue in cleveland,
> and was hooked on his sound.. (i don't remember how i came across his
> site, except that it had something to do with a fiddle search) i
> hadn't been back to his site in some time, but was receiving his
> email.  unfortunately the god's conspired against us whenever he was
> near enough to play that we couldn't see him.  Anyways, i went back
> to joe's site because i was excited that he would be playing such a
> great venue so close to home (and again the god's at work, i am being
> transferred to reading pa from cleveland oh) but of course that won't
> work out.. and i kind of got involved with another venue, The Church
> of Universal Love and Music in acme pa, so the last email i rec'd
> from joe i replied that he should check them out, i was happy to hear
> that he already had sent a disk so i emailed the venue to put in a
> good word, there's a chance we'll be able to go to that venue.
> Anyways, saw your link on Joe's page, i had to check out the rockin
> cello.. and then i saw your musicians only thread, of course i had to
> look,, and i thought your writing was very insightful, so i had to
> pass it on to the band we're working for (i'm not real comfortable
> saying i work for them, but thats another story)
> i went to show someone that page and your site was down...
> If you have a chance, check out the Recipe's website, we made it, and
> what we tried to convey is how the band makes us feel... and they are
> always up for a jam, crossing the musical boundries of many styles in
> the purist (imho) of jamband style.. we are trying to make as many
> shows available online as possible through the use of archive.org
> they host a "lossless" transfer of music using a couple types of
> compression, either shn or flac which is becoming more popular.. just
> finding the time is a bit problematic.. i don't know if i will be
> able to post much over the next few weeks, my relocation came up
> quickly (for my real world job) and i start in pa monday the 12th..
> please let me know when your site is available, you can email me at
> keith@...
> be well
> keith
> --- In voncello_offtopicgroup@yahoogroups.com, "Von Cello (Aaron
> Minsky)" <voncello@v...> wrote:
> > Keith,
> >
> > Thanks for writing. I still don't understand how you came to find
> my site. I know it was
> > roundabout, but I'm always interested in how people come. Did you
> find it on internet
> > searches? If so, what were you searching for? Information like that
> helps me plan.
> >
> > As to your question, I must admit that I'm not up on the activities
> that Clear Channel and
> > others are engaging in. I remember as a kid that the Dead were
> smart to allow
> > "bootlegging" of concerts. It spread their fame around. I guess it
> took a while but now
> > even the establishment is joining in on this. I think it is good to
> spread tapes around of
> > your music. If you can make money off of that, all the better.
> Especially if the money
> > goes to the musicians and not their record companies.
> >
> > In what way are you involved with a jam band? Von Cello has always
> been involved with
> > jamming and is becoming more and more of a jam band. When our next
> CD comes out, in the
> > next few months, that will become clear to everyone. Then we want
> to network with other
> > jam bands and get on the road!
> >
> > Von Cello
> >
> > Mr Oh Yeah wrote:
> >
> > >  I came across this site in a roundabout fashion, i'm completely
> > > unfamiliar with the music of Von Cello, but am looking to change
> that
> > > soon.. i've just started reading a few of the threads and i look
> > > forward to reading more... i found the "musicians only" page very
> > > helpful, and though i am not a musician, my wife and i are
> involved
> > > with a "jamband", some really great folks that deserve to be
> heard..
> > > which brings me to my question for Aaron, what do you think of the
> > > tape trading community that, imho can be a great tool to get music
> > > out?.. but it seems to be crossing over to becoming commercialized
> > > with the advent of these companies that are selling live shows
> right
> > > at the show (don't get me started on clearchannel)
> > > i look forward to hearing your thoughts
> > > keith
> > >
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Hello Aaron, actually, i am involved with a band called The Recipe on
a grassroots volunteer level,(we built there new website, but are
just fans.. you can see what we did
here:http://www.therecipefamily.com) i'm also involved in a group
called The Homegrown Music Network.  Well, i kind of helped a venue
become a member of the network (you can check out what they do here:
http://www.homegrownmusic.net) The venue is Nelson Ledges Quarry Park
(www.nlqp.com) and i noticed that they had Joe Deninzon playing
there, i was lucky enough to catch Joe at a small venue in cleveland,
and was hooked on his sound.. (i don't remember how i came across his
site, except that it had something to do with a fiddle search) i
hadn't been back to his site in some time, but was receiving his
email.  unfortunately the god's conspired against us whenever he was
near enough to play that we couldn't see him.  Anyways, i went back
to joe's site because i was excited that he would be playing such a
great venue so close to home (and again the god's at work, i am being
transferred to reading pa from cleveland oh) but of course that won't
work out.. and i kind of got involved with another venue, The Church
of Universal Love and Music in acme pa, so the last email i rec'd
from joe i replied that he should check them out, i was happy to hear
that he already had sent a disk so i emailed the venue to put in a
good word, there's a chance we'll be able to go to that venue.
Anyways, saw your link on Joe's page, i had to check out the rockin
cello.. and then i saw your musicians only thread, of course i had to
look,, and i thought your writing was very insightful, so i had to
pass it on to the band we're working for (i'm not real comfortable
saying i work for them, but thats another story)
i went to show someone that page and your site was down...
If you have a chance, check out the Recipe's website, we made it, and
what we tried to convey is how the band makes us feel... and they are
always up for a jam, crossing the musical boundries of many styles in
the purist (imho) of jamband style.. we are trying to make as many
shows available online as possible through the use of archive.org
they host a "lossless" transfer of music using a couple types of
compression, either shn or flac which is becoming more popular.. just
finding the time is a bit problematic.. i don't know if i will be
able to post much over the next few weeks, my relocation came up
quickly (for my real world job) and i start in pa monday the 12th..
please let me know when your site is available, you can email me at
keith@...
be well
keith
--- In voncello_offtopicgroup@yahoogroups.com, "Von Cello (Aaron
Minsky)" <voncello@v...> wrote:
> Keith,
>
> Thanks for writing. I still don't understand how you came to find
my site. I know it was
> roundabout, but I'm always interested in how people come. Did you
find it on internet
> searches? If so, what were you searching for? Information like that
helps me plan.
>
> As to your question, I must admit that I'm not up on the activities
that Clear Channel and
> others are engaging in. I remember as a kid that the Dead were
smart to allow
> "bootlegging" of concerts. It spread their fame around. I guess it
took a while but now
> even the establishment is joining in on this. I think it is good to
spread tapes around of
> your music. If you can make money off of that, all the better.
Especially if the money
> goes to the musicians and not their record companies.
>
> In what way are you involved with a jam band? Von Cello has always
been involved with
> jamming and is becoming more and more of a jam band. When our next
CD comes out, in the
> next few months, that will become clear to everyone. Then we want
to network with other
> jam bands and get on the road!
>
> Von Cello
>
> Mr Oh Yeah wrote:
>
> >  I came across this site in a roundabout fashion, i'm completely
> > unfamiliar with the music of Von Cello, but am looking to change
that
> > soon.. i've just started reading a few of the threads and i look
> > forward to reading more... i found the "musicians only" page very
> > helpful, and though i am not a musician, my wife and i are
involved
> > with a "jamband", some really great folks that deserve to be
heard..
> > which brings me to my question for Aaron, what do you think of the
> > tape trading community that, imho can be a great tool to get music
> > out?.. but it seems to be crossing over to becoming commercialized
> > with the advent of these companies that are selling live shows
right
> > at the show (don't get me started on clearchannel)
> > i look forward to hearing your thoughts
> > keith
> >
> >
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----------
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Keith,

Thanks for writing. I still don't understand how you came to find my site. I
know it was
roundabout, but I'm always interested in how people come. Did you find it on
internet
searches? If so, what were you searching for? Information like that helps me
plan.

As to your question, I must admit that I'm not up on the activities that Clear
Channel and
others are engaging in. I remember as a kid that the Dead were smart to allow
"bootlegging" of concerts. It spread their fame around. I guess it took a while
but now
even the establishment is joining in on this. I think it is good to spread tapes
around of
your music. If you can make money off of that, all the better. Especially if the
money
goes to the musicians and not their record companies.

In what way are you involved with a jam band? Von Cello has always been involved
with
jamming and is becoming more and more of a jam band. When our next  CD comes
out, in the
next few months, that will become clear to everyone. Then we want to network
with other
jam bands and get on the road!

Von Cello

Mr Oh Yeah wrote:

>  I came across this site in a roundabout fashion, i'm completely
> unfamiliar with the music of Von Cello, but am looking to change that
> soon.. i've just started reading a few of the threads and i look
> forward to reading more... i found the "musicians only" page very
> helpful, and though i am not a musician, my wife and i are involved
> with a "jamband", some really great folks that deserve to be heard..
> which brings me to my question for Aaron, what do you think of the
> tape trading community that, imho can be a great tool to get music
> out?.. but it seems to be crossing over to becoming commercialized
> with the advent of these companies that are selling live shows right
> at the show (don't get me started on clearchannel)
> i look forward to hearing your thoughts
> keith
>
>
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