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Re: Robert Wyatt - Stalin

The old Stalin song, and many like it, were part of popular culture in WW2.
British workers painted red stars on supplies for Russia, and surely an
encouraging Stalin ditty was preferable to one praising the other side ----.

David Kipling
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Fri Jul 3, 2009 2:44 pm

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Just joined he group - discovered Wyatt a few months ago and find his musical style very agreeable - lots to appreciate Just wondering if people have any info...
Roger White
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Jun 26, 2009
8:28 pm

... For an historical background you may check "East Timor Retrospective" by Noam Chomsky (a Wyatt's favourite): ...
Alessandro Achilli
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Jun 27, 2009
2:44 pm

A Google search for "East Timor" + "history" turns up several sites that give brief histories of that territory. At the time of "Old Rottenhat" (1985), East...
Dan Kurdilla
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Jun 27, 2009
2:44 pm

... You're right, Dan. When I told that Ken Gillespie commanded the United Nations Sector West multinational brigade in East Timor in 1999, I didn't think that...
Alessandro Achilli
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Jun 28, 2009
8:18 am

So Wyatt then celebrates a brutal genocidal maniac with "Song for Che"? Love his music, despise his politics. Wyatt seems never to have met a genocidal...
Ben Berry
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Jun 28, 2009
8:25 pm

Mr. Berry, ... Nobody denies the genocidal and maniac side of Stalin. And yes, he was a hugely crude and inhuman dictator. But I'm wondering how much do you...
Jean-Henry Berevoescu
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Jun 28, 2009
9:09 pm

Yesterday night I played "Rabo de nube" and -- yes! -- "Song for Che" in my radio programme, in the live versions by the Liberation Music Orchestra with Carla...
Alessandro Achilli
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Jun 29, 2009
6:05 am

Another typically ill-informated American spouts off! Thank you for continuing to give "us" a well-deserved black eye all around the world....
Julius Saroka
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Jul 2, 2009
5:05 pm

Hello, Rattlers, Steven Brown here - all the way from de' deep South USA. I propose we wrap this one up. While some of us are celebrating Hugh Hopper, this...
Steven W. Brown
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Jul 2, 2009
5:59 pm

Steven: THANK YOU!! Let's not get in out knickers in a bunch about something Wyatt said ages ago. Jeff...
Jeff Sherman
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Jul 3, 2009
6:31 am

... Maybe, but at least he had the balls to stand up for people with the same opinion, and thanks for the insult. ... Please feel free to move to Cuba or N....
Brian Kamp
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Jul 2, 2009
8:15 pm

I think, when he was young, Wyatt embraced an enthusiasm for the Communist party - probably due to a combination of youthful idealism and an affection for a...
Stuart Mott
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Jul 2, 2009
10:17 pm

The old Stalin song, and many like it, were part of popular culture in WW2. British workers painted red stars on supplies for Russia, and surely an encouraging...
David Kipling
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Jul 3, 2009
3:03 pm

... What delicious irony... One hand espousing "freedom", the other telling me to move away from here... Laa (laughing at amerikkka)...
Julius Saroka
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Jul 3, 2009
6:35 am

... Seems like you have things turned around here, very 21st century attribute it seems. I don't remember him ever espousing these things. Could be me! Maybe...
Gary Lucas
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Jun 29, 2009
6:04 am

"To send men to the firing squad, judicial proof is unnecessary... These procedures are an archaic bourgeois detail. This is a revolution! And a revolutionary...
Ben Berry
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Jun 29, 2009
5:27 pm

Aymreic - I totally agree with you on not turning this debate into non-musical areas. But I will have to note that the right way to do it would have been not...
Jean-Henry Berevoescu
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Jun 29, 2009
5:54 pm

... We get the picture that Ben doesn't approve of Che Guevara - but to describe him as a dictator shows wilful neglect of the English language. - Nick...
Nick Loebner
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Jun 29, 2009
7:16 pm

Thanks for the background search stuff on 'East Timor' ... I searched a bit more - the historical politcal context is clear from Wiki as below. Gillespie...
Roger White
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Jul 1, 2009
1:07 pm

Greetings Rattlers. It has been quite an interesting, if not occasionally shallow, discussion about Robert Wyatt's song 'East Timor'. First and foremost, let's...
Terry Collins
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Jul 3, 2009
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